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Love to go onto my communist message board to tell impoverished proles that they're poor unlike me because of their poor life choices like irresponsibly becoming parents.
You literally told another user here that unlike you who'd be living it up with all of your disposable income they were going to be b****ing about their kids endlessly to everyone like "everyone" who has kids does.
Pregnancy isn't necessarily always planned, nor is termination of pregnancy available, nor would it be pleasant even if everything was ideal. If the parents want to air their grievances, I tend to let them without judgment.
I have a friend with a kid who went through several different stages of grief about the pregnancy because the father of the child was "mean" (he'd call her the R word for making a mistake while speaking), and broke (he made roughly median income, a bit above, but spent half his pay on pokies).
You’ll be bitching endlessly to everyone about how awful it is just like everyone else with kids.
Who are you hanging out with? I know plenty of people with kids, many of them into their teenage years, and these kids are their pride and joy. My sister-in-law sends me near-daily videos of my nieces because she's so caught up in their lives. My Facebook feed is an endless stream of friends, with their kids, traveling and partying and having a great time. My next door neighbors kids bump into me in the neighborhood all the time, with parents dotting on kids lovingly and razing them playfully and pretty much always smiling.
My wife's coworkers will just go off about how many cool things their kids are up to. One practically glows with pride when he recount's his son's sports accomplishments and dating adventures. Another is forever enthralled by how quickly his kids pick up his hobbies (painting warhammer minis, playing with a new raspberry pi he got them for a gift, getting into archery).
I’ll be living it up with all this freedom and disposable income and regular sleep schedule.
More power to you. But as I get older, its not enough to have a treasure trove of accumulated SorosBux and a bit of creature comfort.
Yeah... I'm not that guy, I don't think having kids blanket "sucks" but having kids is expensive and if you can't really afford it, then having kids will probably tank your quality of life. If you can afford to give them a decent life and not work yourself half to death in the process, then good, I'm told its incredibly rewarding, but that's a luxury most people don't have. As you said above, its a tragedy.
having kids is expensive and if you can’t really afford it, then having kids will probably tank your quality of life.
We've gutted social services in the US. Cost of living relative to income has gone to absolute shit. But it doesn't have to be this way. People should be more upset at their ability to raise a family being gutted rather than passively accepting the "actually children are shit and I'm better off this way" alienation.
There are few more enduring and more well-recognized forms of communal living than the extended family. And normalizing this single-person-living-in-a-broom-closet lifestyle simply because its cheap is really fucking bad at an existential level.
People should be more upset at their ability to raise a family being gutted rather than passively accepting the “actually children are shit and I’m better off this way” alienation.
"Razing children" has got to be one of the funniest typos I've seen because it makes the sentence mean pretty much the opposite of what you seem to intend.
oh god are we doing the "DAE school is a prison" thing again?
Why can you not accept that while not for everyone, being a parent is an important part of life (as in it literally makes human life possible), and for many is very rewarding. All the fucking issues with raising kids is because america also forces people, except the wealthy, to work full time or more through their child's upbringing.
So if those issues exist, and we haven’t been able to fix them (and in fact Capitalism looks to be a run away algorithm that will end all life on earth someday) why would you have kids, again?
If you don't believe a better world is possible: why are you even here? If you do: you can try to leave a better world for them, and your kids can keep on fighting the good fight. Just because we won't overthrow capitalism this generation doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a next generation, or that only libs and fascists should have kids because they're winning right now.
Also maybe this isn't you, it's just a thought, but I think a fundamental reason a lot of people are anti-natalist is because they wish they hadn't been born. And that sucks, but it's the human condition, we don't get to decide the circumstances of our birth, and most people simply do not feel that way.
If nothing will ever get better, and nonexistence is preferable to existing, why haven't you sought euthanasia? Anyone who genuinely believes anrinatalist ideology should logically extend it to themselves. It's because anrinatalists aren't genuine.
thinking having kids is a bad idea is not the same thing as thinking everyone already alive should kill themselves. stop making straw man arguments if you are so confident. it's embarrassing. i'm not even against having kids, i just don't like people trying to tell me to do so when i don't want any.
get better at making arguments if you want to be a successful leftist.
there were 1 million and one posts from parents complaining that they were not stuck at home with their awful children that they couldn’t ship off to learning jail.
I know a lot of people who were effectively told "You need to be online 24/7 now, because you're working from home" on top of being told "we're shutting off that daily child care service that affords you time to do a normal 9-5" and that fucking sucked. But if you're being told that kids are getting in the way of doing your job, then you're buying into some seriously fucked propaganda if you decide the problem is your kids.
Plus most everyone I know attributes their mental health problems to their parents sucking, myself included.
The worst psychic trauma I ever suffered was losing my dad in an accident when I was 11 years old. I have friends and extended family who grew up without a parent - due to death or divorce or what have you - and its enormously difficult relative to having both parents (even not-great parents) in the house and able to do parenting.
most parents I know have bags under their eyes and a blank look on their face as the moan about the miseries of child rearing
Your life inevitably begins to revolve around your kids as you get older. But a critical caveat to that is your kids making friends and you getting a second lease on a social life by way of that network of parents. I have found its incredibly difficult to meet other adults and form friends out of college. That's in no small part due to work life being so divorced from home life. I don't live on a street with a dozen of my coworkers, we're all scattered across the city. But as kids socialize with each other, local families inevitably form new bonds and new relationships.
I had bags under my eyes in college. I've had bags under my eyes while on some crazy work project. Bags-under-the-eyes is just a way of life sometimes. But what I'm working for, when I have an opportunity to parent, is worth so much more than anything I do for a paycheck. And there are a host of knock on benefits that I feel go unmentioned.
their explanations often sound like a drug addiction. “Oh yeah it triggers some special breeding chemicals in my brain that FEEL SO GOOD!”
We're chemical animals. If you're feeling good, its because your brain is releasing Feel Good sensations. That's true whether you're dancing, playing video games, fucking, or raising your kids.
The difference between doing a line of cocaine and taking care of a toddler should be fairly obvious.
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Love to go onto my communist message board to tell impoverished proles that they're poor unlike me because of their poor life choices like irresponsibly becoming parents.
You sound like a fucking libertarian.
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whats funny in this whole debate you just sound like a kid sharing their hot takes.
You literally told another user here that unlike you who'd be living it up with all of your disposable income they were going to be b****ing about their kids endlessly to everyone like "everyone" who has kids does.
Fuck off dude.
Everyone I know is miserable therefore you must be too
I make everyone miserable, therefore you must be miserable too
It comes off as a bit, idk, icky at best.
Pregnancy isn't necessarily always planned, nor is termination of pregnancy available, nor would it be pleasant even if everything was ideal. If the parents want to air their grievances, I tend to let them without judgment.
I have a friend with a kid who went through several different stages of grief about the pregnancy because the father of the child was "mean" (he'd call her the R word for making a mistake while speaking), and broke (he made roughly median income, a bit above, but spent half his pay on pokies).
What is that? Pokémon?
Australian slang for video poker machines
Who are you hanging out with? I know plenty of people with kids, many of them into their teenage years, and these kids are their pride and joy. My sister-in-law sends me near-daily videos of my nieces because she's so caught up in their lives. My Facebook feed is an endless stream of friends, with their kids, traveling and partying and having a great time. My next door neighbors kids bump into me in the neighborhood all the time, with parents dotting on kids lovingly and razing them playfully and pretty much always smiling.
My wife's coworkers will just go off about how many cool things their kids are up to. One practically glows with pride when he recount's his son's sports accomplishments and dating adventures. Another is forever enthralled by how quickly his kids pick up his hobbies (painting warhammer minis, playing with a new raspberry pi he got them for a gift, getting into archery).
More power to you. But as I get older, its not enough to have a treasure trove of accumulated SorosBux and a bit of creature comfort.
Yeah... I'm not that guy, I don't think having kids blanket "sucks" but having kids is expensive and if you can't really afford it, then having kids will probably tank your quality of life. If you can afford to give them a decent life and not work yourself half to death in the process, then good, I'm told its incredibly rewarding, but that's a luxury most people don't have. As you said above, its a tragedy.
We've gutted social services in the US. Cost of living relative to income has gone to absolute shit. But it doesn't have to be this way. People should be more upset at their ability to raise a family being gutted rather than passively accepting the "actually children are shit and I'm better off this way" alienation.
There are few more enduring and more well-recognized forms of communal living than the extended family. And normalizing this single-person-living-in-a-broom-closet lifestyle simply because its cheap is really fucking bad at an existential level.
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"Razing children" has got to be one of the funniest typos I've seen because it makes the sentence mean pretty much the opposite of what you seem to intend.
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soy reddit antinatalist please go back you misrepresent the ideology
oh god are we doing the "DAE school is a prison" thing again?
Why can you not accept that while not for everyone, being a parent is an important part of life (as in it literally makes human life possible), and for many is very rewarding. All the fucking issues with raising kids is because america also forces people, except the wealthy, to work full time or more through their child's upbringing.
So if those issues exist, and we haven’t been able to fix them (and in fact Capitalism looks to be a run away algorithm that will end all life on earth someday) why would you have kids, again?
If you don't believe a better world is possible: why are you even here? If you do: you can try to leave a better world for them, and your kids can keep on fighting the good fight. Just because we won't overthrow capitalism this generation doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a next generation, or that only libs and fascists should have kids because they're winning right now.
Also maybe this isn't you, it's just a thought, but I think a fundamental reason a lot of people are anti-natalist is because they wish they hadn't been born. And that sucks, but it's the human condition, we don't get to decide the circumstances of our birth, and most people simply do not feel that way.
Cw suicide
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If nothing will ever get better, and nonexistence is preferable to existing, why haven't you sought euthanasia? Anyone who genuinely believes anrinatalist ideology should logically extend it to themselves. It's because anrinatalists aren't genuine.
This is the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard
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thinking having kids is a bad idea is not the same thing as thinking everyone already alive should kill themselves. stop making straw man arguments if you are so confident. it's embarrassing. i'm not even against having kids, i just don't like people trying to tell me to do so when i don't want any.
get better at making arguments if you want to be a successful leftist.
I know a lot of people who were effectively told "You need to be online 24/7 now, because you're working from home" on top of being told "we're shutting off that daily child care service that affords you time to do a normal 9-5" and that fucking sucked. But if you're being told that kids are getting in the way of doing your job, then you're buying into some seriously fucked propaganda if you decide the problem is your kids.
The worst psychic trauma I ever suffered was losing my dad in an accident when I was 11 years old. I have friends and extended family who grew up without a parent - due to death or divorce or what have you - and its enormously difficult relative to having both parents (even not-great parents) in the house and able to do parenting.
Your life inevitably begins to revolve around your kids as you get older. But a critical caveat to that is your kids making friends and you getting a second lease on a social life by way of that network of parents. I have found its incredibly difficult to meet other adults and form friends out of college. That's in no small part due to work life being so divorced from home life. I don't live on a street with a dozen of my coworkers, we're all scattered across the city. But as kids socialize with each other, local families inevitably form new bonds and new relationships.
I had bags under my eyes in college. I've had bags under my eyes while on some crazy work project. Bags-under-the-eyes is just a way of life sometimes. But what I'm working for, when I have an opportunity to parent, is worth so much more than anything I do for a paycheck. And there are a host of knock on benefits that I feel go unmentioned.
We're chemical animals. If you're feeling good, its because your brain is releasing Feel Good sensations. That's true whether you're dancing, playing video games, fucking, or raising your kids.
The difference between doing a line of cocaine and taking care of a toddler should be fairly obvious.
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Natalism is correct and antinatalism is wrong. Cope and seethe.
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:yes-chad: yes
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You must be lost. Here's where you should be.
Rick and Morty tier take.
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Least credulous antinatalist
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