I don’t know about UK, but in the States there is a growing problem of people riding dirt bikes all over the road, essentially shutting down traffic while they do donuts in busy intersections etc. I assume this is the antisocial behavior that Labour is referencing.
It's the type of antisocial behaviour they'd like to conjure to mind, it's not the type Britain has a "problem" with, because that's just straight illegal. Antisocial behaviour is basically anything that annoys someone but isn't a crime, like children playing ball games in the street, or teens meeting up in groups.
Antisocial behaviour is basically anything that annoys someone but isn't a crime, like children playing ball games in the street, or teens meeting up in groups.
Whether something is antisocial doesn’t reference legality at all, in my opinion. A behavior is antisocial if its purpose is to resist social norms. These norms may or may not be codified into law, and of course the antisocial behaviors may only become illegal after public outcry.
Random individual antisocial actions occur all the time. When it becomes a trend, then one has to question what deeper angst it expresses. That doesn’t absolve all antisocial behavior nor make it legitimate all the time.
When a right-winger drives around town obnoxiously rolling coal onto cyclists, that is antisocial behavior. It becomes a trend when it captures a growing sentiment among right-wingers that the larger society has left them behind in a supposedly misguided quest to save the environment.
Antisocial behaviors are not always good, nor always bad. It depends on the political content of the behavior.
Maybe there is some deep class struggle in the dirt bikers that I’m missing, but more likely there is nothing particularly deep about it, and it’s just teenagers goofing around and giving their parents/society the middle finger. If that’s the case then I would agree that severely criminalizing the behavior is ridiculous — and I agree with the sentiment of this post that it is an embarrassing thing to campaign on at the national level — but we shouldn’t kid ourselves that by denying that it is antisocial.
I don't mean the generic concept, I mean antisocial behaviour as it's applied in the UK with regards to things like antisocial behaviour orders (ASBOs). My examples are literally how antisocial behaviour laws have been applied in my area.
: https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1800249657018458443
"Antisocial vehicles"
The UK's "Antisocial" actual literal Orwell-Ian bullshit is kind of an amazing end-run around any concept of rule of law.
Cars are far more antisocial than dirtbikes
objectively the worst country in the world
I don’t know about UK, but in the States there is a growing problem of people riding dirt bikes all over the road, essentially shutting down traffic while they do donuts in busy intersections etc. I assume this is the antisocial behavior that Labour is referencing.
It's the type of antisocial behaviour they'd like to conjure to mind, it's not the type Britain has a "problem" with, because that's just straight illegal. Antisocial behaviour is basically anything that annoys someone but isn't a crime, like children playing ball games in the street, or teens meeting up in groups.
Whether something is antisocial doesn’t reference legality at all, in my opinion. A behavior is antisocial if its purpose is to resist social norms. These norms may or may not be codified into law, and of course the antisocial behaviors may only become illegal after public outcry.
Random individual antisocial actions occur all the time. When it becomes a trend, then one has to question what deeper angst it expresses. That doesn’t absolve all antisocial behavior nor make it legitimate all the time.
When a right-winger drives around town obnoxiously rolling coal onto cyclists, that is antisocial behavior. It becomes a trend when it captures a growing sentiment among right-wingers that the larger society has left them behind in a supposedly misguided quest to save the environment.
Antisocial behaviors are not always good, nor always bad. It depends on the political content of the behavior.
Maybe there is some deep class struggle in the dirt bikers that I’m missing, but more likely there is nothing particularly deep about it, and it’s just teenagers goofing around and giving their parents/society the middle finger. If that’s the case then I would agree that severely criminalizing the behavior is ridiculous — and I agree with the sentiment of this post that it is an embarrassing thing to campaign on at the national level — but we shouldn’t kid ourselves that by denying that it is antisocial.
I don't mean the generic concept, I mean antisocial behaviour as it's applied in the UK with regards to things like antisocial behaviour orders (ASBOs). My examples are literally how antisocial behaviour laws have been applied in my area.
That’s fair enough