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    • AernaLingus [any]
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      1 year ago

      >no Ashley saying, "Ugh, you pervert!"
      >no Ashley saying, "Hey! What are you looking at?"
      >no animation of Ashley covering her skirt when you try to look up it and see her panties
      >no being able to freely stare at Ashley's panties from the bottom of a high enough ladder
      >no getting an accidental Ashley upskirt dialogue when performing a suplex on an enemy
      >no quick half a second slip of Ashley's panties during the cutscene where she and Leon leap through the church window to escape from the crossbow Illuminados
      >no easy distance panty shot of Ashley when she's cowering in fear in the presence of enemies, allowing for a clean angle of her white panties
      >no aiming a knife or grenade towards the sky in certain areas to lower the camera at a low angle to catch a glimpse of Ashley's panties
      >no quick glimpse of Ashley's panties during the cutscene when she is pushed by the Island Ganado when she's in captivity on the island
      >no shot of Ashley's panties as she crawls underneath the table during the section in the castle where she's playable

      For all the things this game is doing right, it censored, possibly even downright removed, the thing people wanted most. It murders an aspect of her character, rendering it essentially non-canon. Why is censorship so prevalent in gaming nowadays? I'm surprised they're even keeping in the gore given the extent that they're willing to go to censor something that the vast majority of players will never even see. This is dishonest, and suggests a lack of soul and attention to detail on the developer's part. No panties, no buy. Simple as.

      • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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        1 year ago

        What's with otakus and incessant fan service when literally porn exists? And if you don't want to go that hard, there's a huge market in Japan for softcore pictures of models in revealing clothing? I seriously don't get it.

        • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          It isn't about the porn, it's about being able to sexualize anything they want and getting angered when told no. If this sounds gross or creepy it should be because these are also common traits in sexual abusers and predators.

        • AernaLingus [any]
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          1 year ago
          CW: discussion of hypothetical SA

          The best explanation I can come up with is that they want to engage in virtual non-consenting behavior with some level of plausible deniability; most people aren't going to play a straight-up depraved SA-simulator, although such games exist.

          Something actually just occurred to me: with porn or that softcore stuff you mentioned, even if non-consensual acts are portrayed, unless they're watching some horrific dark web shit (again, the vast majority will not go that far), the viewer knows that the people involved are consenting and just acting. But in a scenario like looking up Ashley's skirt in the original RE4, there are no "actors" in a certain sense. Of course, someone has to provide the voice lines, maybe mo-cap, etc., but in that moment the player personally and willfully violates the consent of the NPC, who in this case is completely powerless. And this act occurs in a context where such acts are not the focus (unlike an SA-simulator), which makes it truer to life. The only thing more visceral would be a "virtual assault" in a game like VRChat, but in that scenario there is a real human on the other side meaning that there is actual harm and potential consequences, unlike with an NPC programmed to cater to a male power fantasy. I think that even in the simple case of objectifying a character on screen without any particular action (beyond ogling them with the in-game camera), there's an element of non-consensual voyeurism that isn't present with porn.

          Like I said, it's an idea that just popped into my head as I was considering your question, so it's underdeveloped. There's been a decent amount of research on objectification and violence (sexual or otherwise) in videogames, but I always viewed that as exploring the simple dichotomy of the player being an agent rather than a mere observer (as in pornography) without considering the player's subjective experience of the consent of characters (player or non-player). I'd have to dive into the literature to know how much that particular dimension has been explored.

          ...of course, none of that addresses outrages over other types of media being similarly "censored." So idk, maybe I'm just going off on a fruitless tangent.

        • Farman [any]
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          1 year ago

          This is very confusing to me. Japanise anime and ligtnovels seem increadibly horny. To the pount its offputing. But nobody seems to get laid.

          The chinise equivalents are generally not as horny but people do get laid.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            I think the original business model was to endlessly "tease" young readers who don't understand that there can never be a "payoff". I don't know how it became what it is now.

            • Farman [any]
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              1 year ago

              There can never be payoff.... true to life but grim.

          • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            The answer to this seems to be that pornography is actually illegal in Japan, with the porn that does exist either being censored or being made in ways that have loopholes around the laws.

            Anime and light novels get advertised on TV and radio, and in Japan you need a license from the government to get shown on broadcast media. So I could see production companies trying desperately to avoid a pornography designation while still getting close to the edge.

            • ssjmarx [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              while still getting close to the edge

              Ishuzoku Reviewers literally had multiple explicit sex scenes in every episode - but it was fine because they didn't show penetration.

      • Wheaties [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        it censored, possibly even downright removed, the thing people wanted most

        censor something that the vast majority of players will never even see

        which is it?

      • git [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Ashley in the remake will break the fourth wall and look disapprovingly at the player if you try to look up her skirt: https://www.eurogamer.net/ashley-breaks-the-fourth-wall-in-resident-evil-4-remake-if-you-try-to-upskirt-her

        • ssjmarx [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          So like every single other change to RE4make, they didn't actually remove it they just made it more subtle.

          Who would have thought the people complaining would lie like that shocked-pikachu

      • UlyssesT
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        18 days ago

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