Vanguard parties exclude only the supporters of capitalism just like Social democracy by definition excludes socialists and non-capitalists, again you can't have any convincing principled stance against the representative democracy of the working class when you literally stan for the representative democracy of capitalists
No they don't, social democracies would never allow the establishment of socialism and overthrow of the current capitalist mode of production. Social democracy is the attempt by the state to broker, regulate and intermesh the productive capacity of the working class with the capital stock of the investor class for the common benefit of both
By definition those parties cannot be communist, as they legally cannot challenge private ownership of the means of production which underlines that system
Instead of chasing around idealistic "ideas" in your head you should read history and apply a material analysis to it.....sport
Every country in the world is a mixed market economy, even North Korea. Except instead of allowing the people to vote on what kind of free market economy North Korea has access to it is dictated to them. Same top down approach to the economy happened in the USSR and is currently happening in China. Why do you think Communists are better than anyone else at determining the level of a mixed market economy a nation should have?
The idea that anyone, anywhere could ever completely "overthrow the capitalist mode of production" is a dangerous delusion. Free markets, like it or not, are here to stay. Even if that means that must be black markets.
It is fun and all to play idealist about vastly complex socio economic issues, think you have all the answers, and can shape society into a perfect utopia. In reality, people resist change, not everyone will ever want to be wholly under the yoke of either a libertarian or communist regime, and enforcing your idealism on the real world would require massive amounts of violence.
Subjugating the masses to political ideals ain't my bag. Let people vote, have hopefully equitable representation, and maybe muddle towards some sense of progress.
There is no such thing as the "free market" and there never was, in fact peddling that idea is fact a dangerous delusion
Every economy on earth is dominated by command economies internal to firms interconnected by state and privately run logistical command economies all funded and secured by banks run internally as command economies, all interacting thru regulated international bodies and treaties drawn up exclusively by capitalists, this "mixed" nonsense is neoclassical garbage that fundamentally misunderstands what a capitalist market IS, what socialism IS and ignores the fact that class dynamics is the over-determining driver of the distribution of wealth not "democratic processes"
Your whole conception of economics was literally invented in a think tank
and enforcing your idealism on the real world would require massive amounts of violence
Enforcing your social democracy on the world is violence, enforcing capitalism on the world is violence, enforcing private ownership of the means of production is violence, the difference is that those are normalized for you, so either you don't see that violence or you don't consider it morally on the same level as whatever the "violence" you imagine in your head looks like, either way I'm not gonna take lectures on violence from hypocrites
Of course there is no such thing as a free market just like there is no such thing as a planned economy.
Communistic planned economies like a Nozickian or Rothbardian pure free market will forever be impossible. Attempting to implement them would cause untold harm to society.
Vanguard parties exclude only the supporters of capitalism just like Social democracy by definition excludes socialists and non-capitalists, again you can't have any convincing principled stance against the representative democracy of the working class when you literally stan for the representative democracy of capitalists
All your doing is revealing your class loyalty
Socialism is not just MLism FFS.
Read a book.
Never claimed it was, but Socialism is definitely NOT social democracy and never will be
Social democracy fully allows communist parties to run in elections.
Try winning the battle of ideas sport.
No they don't, social democracies would never allow the establishment of socialism and overthrow of the current capitalist mode of production. Social democracy is the attempt by the state to broker, regulate and intermesh the productive capacity of the working class with the capital stock of the investor class for the common benefit of both
By definition those parties cannot be communist, as they legally cannot challenge private ownership of the means of production which underlines that system
Instead of chasing around idealistic "ideas" in your head you should read history and apply a material analysis to it.....sport
Every country in the world is a mixed market economy, even North Korea. Except instead of allowing the people to vote on what kind of free market economy North Korea has access to it is dictated to them. Same top down approach to the economy happened in the USSR and is currently happening in China. Why do you think Communists are better than anyone else at determining the level of a mixed market economy a nation should have?
The idea that anyone, anywhere could ever completely "overthrow the capitalist mode of production" is a dangerous delusion. Free markets, like it or not, are here to stay. Even if that means that must be black markets.
It is fun and all to play idealist about vastly complex socio economic issues, think you have all the answers, and can shape society into a perfect utopia. In reality, people resist change, not everyone will ever want to be wholly under the yoke of either a libertarian or communist regime, and enforcing your idealism on the real world would require massive amounts of violence.
Subjugating the masses to political ideals ain't my bag. Let people vote, have hopefully equitable representation, and maybe muddle towards some sense of progress.
There is no such thing as the "free market" and there never was, in fact peddling that idea is fact a dangerous delusion
Every economy on earth is dominated by command economies internal to firms interconnected by state and privately run logistical command economies all funded and secured by banks run internally as command economies, all interacting thru regulated international bodies and treaties drawn up exclusively by capitalists, this "mixed" nonsense is neoclassical garbage that fundamentally misunderstands what a capitalist market IS, what socialism IS and ignores the fact that class dynamics is the over-determining driver of the distribution of wealth not "democratic processes"
Your whole conception of economics was literally invented in a think tank
Enforcing your social democracy on the world is violence, enforcing capitalism on the world is violence, enforcing private ownership of the means of production is violence, the difference is that those are normalized for you, so either you don't see that violence or you don't consider it morally on the same level as whatever the "violence" you imagine in your head looks like, either way I'm not gonna take lectures on violence from hypocrites
Of course there is no such thing as a free market just like there is no such thing as a planned economy.
Communistic planned economies like a Nozickian or Rothbardian pure free market will forever be impossible. Attempting to implement them would cause untold harm to society.