Yea I'm not sure how they haven't figured out that posting these charts or pre written walls of text and having anybody who isn't already blue Maga go "bullshit, bullshit, bullshit" to all their claims about Biden just makes them think the person who posted it is a fucking liar, and they're currently talking about how great Biden is.
Idk I have reservations about this attitude because I have close friends on discord who are definitly not Blue MAGA. They're like, soft baby leftists who think a revolution would be good but are also trans people in red states who are scared as hell of certain things. They seem to genuinely believe that Biden is better on all or most things, pretty much everything except immigration which they will admit he's been worse, and consider voting for him and other Democrats to be a matter of simple self preservation. I try telling them our talking points on here but most of them bounce off. But they are like, sincerly well meaning, not trying to manipulate things. They just want to live lol. I take a more empathetic stance I guess because of my experiences there.
In particular I've found that our points about Roe being lost under Biden and the ratcheting up of anti-trans legislation happening under Biden are total flops with them. Not because they don't care about those things, the second thing is the main reason they're scared, they just absolutely cannot see why we blame him for that. They're caught in certain mindsets and just... cannot seem to break out. Not in the way I've communicated it anyway.
And these are fairly intelligent people as well. One of them is the person I've had the best talks with about her Jewish identity vs Zionism and she is actually like, radically anti-Zionist. But the one thing that she seems stuck on despite her growing radicalization everywhere else.
The other reason I am a bit more empathetic is like,,, basically up until the Gaza genocide started in earnest I was sorta still in their mindset? I wasnt going to vote for Biden only because I don't live in a swing state. Gaza made me reconsider some things, particularly my stance on lesser evil voting.
hey're like, soft baby leftists who think a revolution would be good but are also trans people in red states who are scared as hell of certain things. They seem to genuinely believe that Biden is better on all or most things, pretty much everything except immigration which they will admit he's been worse, and consider voting for him and other Democrats to be a matter of simple self preservation.
But if they live in red states, then their vote for president is meaningless since we all know Trump will win those states anyways. If Trump is going to win anyways, then lesser evilism doesn't apply since lesser evilism is a form of consequentialism which presupposes that your actions has causal effect on the outcome. You don't need to read theory to come to this conclusion.
I think they still believe in the US on some level. They (and many people on this website frankly) refuse to see the presidential election for the sham election that it is. You know the popular image of a banana republic where people "vote" for president by checking a single checkbox with a giant portrait of the president looming over them. That's literally what it's like voting in non-swing states. In a red state, they are offered a choice for who gets to be president while a giant portrait of Trump hangs over them. The only reason to participate in the sham is for purely cathartic reasons, so it's perfectly reasonable to interrogate why they will experience cathartic release when they put down some genocidal white supremacist dipshit named Joe Biden.
Biden's policy "wins" always sound like when my boss makes me write performance review bullet points for myself when I haven't finished a damn project all year, so it's a bunch of "spearheaded exploratory efforts to design and implement _______" and "provided technical expertise for [re-]architecture of ______" bullshit that, in the end, amounts to "I tried but you motherfuckers wouldn't let me because you hurled 80% of the team's support tickets my way without even attempting to share those efforts amongst the other devs," except Genocide Joe doesn't even have that excuse.
Burned-out nerd rant
I'm not even joking about the support workload vs. time spent on project work shit. Case in point, I finished modernizing a fairly critical process last August and it still hasn't been promoted to our Prod environment because the primary stakeholder has been "too busy" to sign off on it. The usual turnaround for something like that is like a week or two, tops, and none of the core functionality even changed. It was about 75% throwaway work when they requested it two years ago, and it's probably getting chucked out at the end of next quarter. Love burning 160+ labor hours on cleaning up coworkers' garbage-tier code just to be able to extend a piece of software without breaking a bunch of other shit, all because the middle management fiefdom think that "160 hour estimate" means "it will be done in exactly one month" and don't even question why a "trivial" change has a one-labor-month estimate tacked onto it.
I can't believe that I've lasted as long as I have at this place. Turnover under my previous supervisor was a huge red flag right out of the gate, but at least he has moved over to a different section to go be a disorganized, out-of-touch bougie doofus over there. The damage is already done, though, both in terms of toxic team/org dynamics and my own mental health.
they act like that worthless old fucking pig hasn't been sitting his dying ass in the oval office for the last 4 years and like we don't know that he obviously doesn't give a fuck about any of that besides funding israel
going behind congress, outside the law to give child murderers child murder tools: just normal statescraft, he doesn't want to do it!
having his "keystone" legislation blocked by single members of his party or literally unelected rulebook-scolds: he tried his very best, these are the most important issues to him
Chart isn't even right, way to generous to Biden specifically
Yea I'm not sure how they haven't figured out that posting these charts or pre written walls of text and having anybody who isn't already blue Maga go "bullshit, bullshit, bullshit" to all their claims about Biden just makes them think the person who posted it is a fucking liar, and they're currently talking about how great Biden is.
Idk I have reservations about this attitude because I have close friends on discord who are definitly not Blue MAGA. They're like, soft baby leftists who think a revolution would be good but are also trans people in red states who are scared as hell of certain things. They seem to genuinely believe that Biden is better on all or most things, pretty much everything except immigration which they will admit he's been worse, and consider voting for him and other Democrats to be a matter of simple self preservation. I try telling them our talking points on here but most of them bounce off. But they are like, sincerly well meaning, not trying to manipulate things. They just want to live lol. I take a more empathetic stance I guess because of my experiences there.
In particular I've found that our points about Roe being lost under Biden and the ratcheting up of anti-trans legislation happening under Biden are total flops with them. Not because they don't care about those things, the second thing is the main reason they're scared, they just absolutely cannot see why we blame him for that. They're caught in certain mindsets and just... cannot seem to break out. Not in the way I've communicated it anyway.
And these are fairly intelligent people as well. One of them is the person I've had the best talks with about her Jewish identity vs Zionism and she is actually like, radically anti-Zionist. But the one thing that she seems stuck on despite her growing radicalization everywhere else.
The other reason I am a bit more empathetic is like,,, basically up until the Gaza genocide started in earnest I was sorta still in their mindset? I wasnt going to vote for Biden only because I don't live in a swing state. Gaza made me reconsider some things, particularly my stance on lesser evil voting.
But if they live in red states, then their vote for president is meaningless since we all know Trump will win those states anyways. If Trump is going to win anyways, then lesser evilism doesn't apply since lesser evilism is a form of consequentialism which presupposes that your actions has causal effect on the outcome. You don't need to read theory to come to this conclusion.
I think they still believe in the US on some level. They (and many people on this website frankly) refuse to see the presidential election for the sham election that it is. You know the popular image of a banana republic where people "vote" for president by checking a single checkbox with a giant portrait of the president looming over them. That's literally what it's like voting in non-swing states. In a red state, they are offered a choice for who gets to be president while a giant portrait of Trump hangs over them. The only reason to participate in the sham is for purely cathartic reasons, so it's perfectly reasonable to interrogate why they will experience cathartic release when they put down some genocidal white supremacist dipshit named Joe Biden.
Biden's policy "wins" always sound like when my boss makes me write performance review bullet points for myself when I haven't finished a damn project all year, so it's a bunch of "spearheaded exploratory efforts to design and implement _______" and "provided technical expertise for [re-]architecture of ______" bullshit that, in the end, amounts to "I tried but you motherfuckers wouldn't let me because you hurled 80% of the team's support tickets my way without even attempting to share those efforts amongst the other devs," except Genocide Joe doesn't even have that excuse.
Burned-out nerd rant
I'm not even joking about the support workload vs. time spent on project work shit. Case in point, I finished modernizing a fairly critical process last August and it still hasn't been promoted to our Prod environment because the primary stakeholder has been "too busy" to sign off on it. The usual turnaround for something like that is like a week or two, tops, and none of the core functionality even changed. It was about 75% throwaway work when they requested it two years ago, and it's probably getting chucked out at the end of next quarter. Love burning 160+ labor hours on cleaning up coworkers' garbage-tier code just to be able to extend a piece of software without breaking a bunch of other shit, all because the middle management fiefdom think that "160 hour estimate" means "it will be done in exactly one month" and don't even question why a "trivial" change has a one-labor-month estimate tacked onto it.
I can't believe that I've lasted as long as I have at this place. Turnover under my previous supervisor was a huge red flag right out of the gate, but at least he has moved over to a different section to go be a disorganized, out-of-touch bougie doofus over there. The damage is already done, though, both in terms of toxic team/org dynamics and my own mental health.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
they act like that worthless old fucking pig hasn't been sitting his dying ass in the oval office for the last 4 years and like we don't know that he obviously doesn't give a fuck about any of that besides funding israel
going behind congress, outside the law to give child murderers child murder tools: just normal statescraft, he doesn't want to do it!
having his "keystone" legislation blocked by single members of his party or literally unelected rulebook-scolds: he tried his very best, these are the most important issues to him