Ya no, I am kinda glad most people on here don't have kids because this sounds awful. Regardless of what some parents do and how angry you are at your "mean" parents, you don't decide to rip children away from their parents and most parents would never agree to it, including myself. If you want to take my children away, you better be ready to catch a bullet in the head
This is basically residential school tier thinking and it just comes off as "I am a teenager and I hate my parents" tier posting
I'd gladly rip children away from any abusive parents, as a kid who experienced abuse myself. Problem is, abuse is practically baked into the current system of child-raising. I will confidently assert that 99% of parents are in some way abusive to their children, trying their best or not.
I will confidently assert that 99% of parents are in some way abusive to their children, trying their best or not.
This is such a hyperbolic statement that I can't even fathom how to approach it. And you really think tearing kids away from their parents is not abusive?
Ya I can tell you were fucked up in your childhood if you think taking children away from their parents who are in good houses does nothing bad to a childs mental well being. Literally psychopath mentality.
You said that in your belief, 99% of parents were abusive and you think children should be removed from abusive homes, it's not that hard to put the two together and know what you want to do.
In retrospect, I suppose I didn't communicate very well there. I was voicing my support for the OP, in response to your rather hyperbolic comment on the matter. I guess I made my equally hyperbolic in response, which was unwise.
I'm not some kind of idealist who thinks that we could magically solve all the problems by just magically taking all the children away from their parents. Realistically, it'd have to be a centuries long transition to the style of child-raising the OP described, though I would like it if government services that separate children from above-average-level-of-abusive parents were like, ten times more efficient and speedy.
My apologies if I was rude as well, I grew up on the old forums/chans were everyone forms friendships by being extremely mean to each other. I suppose that my general opposition to it is that morality is a very personal thing, so who is to say that what some "expert" wants is what I feel is best for my child. A universal agreement on child rearing would never be met, even amongst experts. Likewise, I want to raise my child in my culture, in this hypothetical community based rearing, you would have to give up your cultural practices and way of thinking for some kind of shapeless identity
so who is to say that what some “expert” wants is what I feel is best for my child
Who's to say that what you "feel" is best for your child actually is?
A child is not personal property, it is not a thing that you can (or rather, should be allowed to) make your own decisions about if you want. You shouldn't be allowed to make the decision not to vaccinate your child, for example, or to make the decision to mutilate them for religious or cosmetic reasons. That's a whole ass human there, not an extension of yourself. What is best for them is what ultimately matters, not what the person who created them thinks.
Children and people are not property of a the government either. It's called free will, everyone can raise their children the way you want. It's some lunacy in here where people want the government and nameless people to take away their families for the "greater good"
Do you also fuck consensually or do you have to ask someone for permission? Hurr durr the government telling everyone how to live their lives is totally not the same. Freedom is an illusion, but at the end of the day, I would much rather live by my will and not the government in regards to child rearing. Everyday you wake up, someone is imposing their will onto you.
In this hypothetical where you take the children away, is that also not "imposing your will" onto others?
Ya no, I am kinda glad most people on here don't have kids because this sounds awful. Regardless of what some parents do and how angry you are at your "mean" parents, you don't decide to rip children away from their parents and most parents would never agree to it, including myself. If you want to take my children away, you better be ready to catch a bullet in the head
This is basically residential school tier thinking and it just comes off as "I am a teenager and I hate my parents" tier posting
I'd gladly rip children away from any abusive parents, as a kid who experienced abuse myself. Problem is, abuse is practically baked into the current system of child-raising. I will confidently assert that 99% of parents are in some way abusive to their children, trying their best or not.
This is such a hyperbolic statement that I can't even fathom how to approach it. And you really think tearing kids away from their parents is not abusive?
Not inherently, no. I can tell you from experience that my childhood would've been a LOT better if someone had torn me away from my mother like ASAP.
Ya I can tell you were fucked up in your childhood if you think taking children away from their parents who are in good houses does nothing bad to a childs mental well being. Literally psychopath mentality.
I said not inherently, try reading next time. Obviously it can be and would be in a good number of cases.
You said that in your belief, 99% of parents were abusive and you think children should be removed from abusive homes, it's not that hard to put the two together and know what you want to do.
In retrospect, I suppose I didn't communicate very well there. I was voicing my support for the OP, in response to your rather hyperbolic comment on the matter. I guess I made my equally hyperbolic in response, which was unwise.
I'm not some kind of idealist who thinks that we could magically solve all the problems by just magically taking all the children away from their parents. Realistically, it'd have to be a centuries long transition to the style of child-raising the OP described, though I would like it if government services that separate children from above-average-level-of-abusive parents were like, ten times more efficient and speedy.
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My apologies if I was rude as well, I grew up on the old forums/chans were everyone forms friendships by being extremely mean to each other. I suppose that my general opposition to it is that morality is a very personal thing, so who is to say that what some "expert" wants is what I feel is best for my child. A universal agreement on child rearing would never be met, even amongst experts. Likewise, I want to raise my child in my culture, in this hypothetical community based rearing, you would have to give up your cultural practices and way of thinking for some kind of shapeless identity
Who's to say that what you "feel" is best for your child actually is?
A child is not personal property, it is not a thing that you can (or rather, should be allowed to) make your own decisions about if you want. You shouldn't be allowed to make the decision not to vaccinate your child, for example, or to make the decision to mutilate them for religious or cosmetic reasons. That's a whole ass human there, not an extension of yourself. What is best for them is what ultimately matters, not what the person who created them thinks.
Children and people are not property of a the government either. It's called free will, everyone can raise their children the way you want. It's some lunacy in here where people want the government and nameless people to take away their families for the "greater good"
"hurr durr free will is when i can impose my will on other people"
Do you also fuck consensually or do you have to ask someone for permission? Hurr durr the government telling everyone how to live their lives is totally not the same. Freedom is an illusion, but at the end of the day, I would much rather live by my will and not the government in regards to child rearing. Everyday you wake up, someone is imposing their will onto you.
In this hypothetical where you take the children away, is that also not "imposing your will" onto others?
I'm not the one who brought up or cares about the abstract concept of "free will" bucko
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Nah man, is that some projection from your part?
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@zhongguodejiqiren What did you want?
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I'm a "trained professional," and trust me, we're just stumbling through too. I get where you're coming from, but I don't see it going well.