In all seriousness I feel like the common answers I saw of Diogenes (because that was like, his entire shtick) or Socrates (because they killed him for being annoying) are probably better answers but saying its Trotsky on a leftist forum is way funnier.
Cato was an annoying and self righteous piece of shit
Real “giving the plebes bread is not just a threat to my personal wealth but an unholy affront to our sacred republic” kind of guy
Plus modern day libertarians love the guy so what more do you need? They named the fucking Cato institute after him case closed
I also self-deluded myself into believing Cato was the not the inspiration for that name...
Wasn't Cato the insanely misogynistic dumb fuck (even by Roman standards) that would always whine about women existing and then demand Carthage be destroyed (eventually, famously, this happened)
Guy was a total shitter and asshole. A legendary one that is remembered thousands of years later for his insane rants.
There were multiple Cato’s and every one of them was a self righteous patrician traditionalist.
I’m referring to Cato the younger, contemporary of Julius Caesar who is probably the more famous one but there’s also Cato the elder who was basically the same figure a century beforehand.
But it doesn’t matter which. Misogynistic patriarchal patricians who believed that their position atop the socio-economic hierarchy was a law of nature.
Trotsky is a good answer and funny for leftists to say.
Cicero also works.
Charles De Gaulle is also a possibility.
But without Charles De Gaulle we lose one of my favorite quotes!
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not super evil
De Gaulle is responsible for thousands of deaths in Africa
I guess... but he's also responsible for this... from Lightiggy's post in reddit...
Oh shit I have a friend of French-Algerian descent and I know her father, who is Algerian, was imprisoned and treated harshly in Algeria during this period.
He moved to France and I always wondered what it would be like to migrate to the country that tortured you, but a penny just dropped and now I think I understand why he moved to France.
Silly, but he did it because they're Arabs/amazighs, not because they were traitors.
It never ceases to amaze me that he went off half cocked with a bad translation and became a bigot instead of engaging in self crit. Like this is the guy who started a movement? Bruh embraced hatred before admitting he fucked up bad and is somehow the most influential figure of his time.
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Read this if you want to find out how much of a craven bootlicker Martin Luther was
Nailing 95 theses against tankies to my ex-wife's door in the hopes she'll call me to complain.
Trotsky is the worst even more so for the legacy he left behind. Empowering these fucking nerds to create orgs that gotcha AES countries and fall in line with the imperialist core talking points all the while claiming the banner of Socialists.
I know this is a shitpost, but the real reason Socrates was executed was his real or perceived ties with the dictatorship of the 30, which took power after they lost Peloponesian war, and killed a bunch of athenians.
I.F. Stone Breaks the Socrates Story: An old muckraker sheds fresh light on the 2,500-year-old mystery and reveals some Athenian political realities that Plato did his best to hide.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/socrates/ifstoneinterview.html
Trotsky himself COULD be sophisticated, and I think he wrote somewhere that had he been in power instead of Stalin those 5 year plans wouldn't have been that much less painful, but the political movement he left behind produced some of the more simplistic narratives about socialism ever, on par with "muh human nature" shit
He did some genuinely intelligent things during the revolution. It's a shame the power struggle and his theories turned out the way it did, the movement he left behind, as you say, is incredibly annoying.
How I didn't think of Stirner as a contender until my friend mentioned it is honestly shockingly.
Communism is when I do whatever I want, and the more I do, the more communist it is.
I'm sorry but Stirner is just too cool and audacious to be annoying, even Marx was tickled by the mere "existence" of the man
Now his fans who take his theories seriously on the other hand.....
I feel like Voltaire was probably a real pill. Just not fun to be around.
I may be biased because computer science and engineering are some of my deepest passions, and this Dunning Kruger dipshit has managed to gain an entirely unwarranted degree of trust to speak about the subjects. I also personally know people who got suckered into his cult.
I mentioned her to a communist friend as a possibility, and he said "her movement is obviously annoying, but if you watch her in interviews you might be suprised". I said I hadnt, so he sent me one with Mike Wallace that she did.
Kinda interesting. She was surprisingly charismatic in a way. The words she was saying annoyed me obviously, but on pure personality I could see what my friend meant. If anything, the more annoying person on screen was Mike Wallace lol. He pressed her pretty hard (which to be clear is a good thing) and it was offputting in a way even though I sided him him doing so.
A lot of Urbanist Twitter could probably go here. Objectively correct takes delivered in the most insufferable way possible
Blaming poor people for needing a car to survive is my least favorite if there's
Jesus during his time managed to piss off a great many people, so he's probably a contender. He would refuse to answer questions straight and would always use parables, and pissed off the Pharisees to no end. He even befriended a tax collector!
Parables are a decent way to overcome the general illiteracy of the time. People have always responded well to Aesop fables. Use symbolic tales parallel to the deeper lesson and all that.
Creating the worlds most colonial religion is definitely a top tier most aggravating move though tbh.
Actually, according to Mark, Jesus spoke in parables in order to hide the true meaning of what he said. 🤷♂️
Imagine being so annoying while claiming to be the son of god that everyone is eventually like "ok, can we fucking crucify this guy already?" then the motherfucker (literally, god fucked mary, and Jesus is god... 🤨) has the audacity to be like "it's ok, my friends. I will die for your sins!" That would be enough for me to be the guy begging the Roman soldiers to stab him in the liver or something to cause additional pain.
Dude was so annoying he was forced to choose between social or literal suicide and chose to become a martyr for debate bros everywhere.
There was 80 judges who declared him innocent but demanded death penalty for him anyway lol.
Nah Lenin was funny af. You get away with being as catty as he was by being funny while you do it. Socrates missed this trick and was killed for being an annoying shit.
