Mostly yeah but I have an ethical question for anyone who's cruising by and willing to answer.
I've offered to help my disabled, elderly neighbor get groceries when I go out, but she asked if I could spare any milk and I said no. I'm ambivalent about picking up milk later today because I did offer to help. Would it be consistent with vegan ethics to do so?
Not a hypothetical, these are the ethics of today's shopping list.
If she wants milk just get her the milk.
I already care very little about the "vote with your wallet"-esque arguments about veganism, but all you are doing is getting milk for someone who would of already paid for the milk regardless.
Not doing so because you personally are vegan just makes you kind of an asshole to a disabled old woman and has basically no moral or practical effect on the animal agricultural system.
I don’t think it makes someone an asshole to live according to their moral principles. Like, I wouldn’t help her buy a sodastream either. And it’s perfectly possible to explain to people why you aren’t comfortable doing so and offering to help in other ways. No one needs milk to live.
No, I’m comparing purchasing decisions derived from ethical concerns. Just because the suffering of Palestinians experiencing genocide is far worse doesn’t mean that the exploitation of animals is okay, two things can both be bad even though one is worse.
It would still be wrong to buy a product made with Palestinian slave labor even if there weren’t. No one’s really organizing boycotts of Hobby Lobby anymore but I still wouldn’t shop there.
No, because cows still suffer and die for that milk. That said, if it’s her money you’re using and she would buy it anyway it really isn’t the biggest thing I don’t think.
Mostly yeah but I have an ethical question for anyone who's cruising by and willing to answer.
I've offered to help my disabled, elderly neighbor get groceries when I go out, but she asked if I could spare any milk and I said no. I'm ambivalent about picking up milk later today because I did offer to help. Would it be consistent with vegan ethics to do so?
Not a hypothetical, these are the ethics of today's shopping list.
If she wants milk just get her the milk.
I already care very little about the "vote with your wallet"-esque arguments about veganism, but all you are doing is getting milk for someone who would of already paid for the milk regardless.
Not doing so because you personally are vegan just makes you kind of an asshole to a disabled old woman and has basically no moral or practical effect on the animal agricultural system.
I don’t think it makes someone an asshole to live according to their moral principles. Like, I wouldn’t help her buy a sodastream either. And it’s perfectly possible to explain to people why you aren’t comfortable doing so and offering to help in other ways. No one needs milk to live.
You're really comparing the dairy industry to what Israel does to Palestinians? Yikes.
No, I’m comparing purchasing decisions derived from ethical concerns. Just because the suffering of Palestinians experiencing genocide is far worse doesn’t mean that the exploitation of animals is okay, two things can both be bad even though one is worse.
but there is an organized, directed boycott on sodastream. very different from choosing not to buy milk
It would still be wrong to buy a product made with Palestinian slave labor even if there weren’t. No one’s really organizing boycotts of Hobby Lobby anymore but I still wouldn’t shop there.
yeah good point
No, because cows still suffer and die for that milk. That said, if it’s her money you’re using and she would buy it anyway it really isn’t the biggest thing I don’t think.