One of the most striking lines of evidence is the exit poll discrepancies. There were discrepancies in regions with electronic voting, but not in hand-counted regions, and the discrepancies were almost always biased against Sanders.

  • shipwreck [comrade/them]
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    2 days ago

    The chance of Bernie actually losing all 83 counties in Michigan is zero. There is no chance of that happening without tampering. He won 73 out of 83 in 2016.

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      2 days ago

      But have you considered how incredibly popular Biden is? He just needed every other candidate to drop out and support him to win, and then he managed to beat Trump in an election with the highest voter turnout maybe ever!

      Just don't pay attention to the margins, or how unpopular Trump was, or anything else really.

    • ZWQbpkzl [none/use name]
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      2 days ago

      Same happened in Wisconsin but it seemed like he lost everywhere after super Tuesday.

  • T34_69 [none/use name]
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    2 days ago

    Still remember that video from one of the caucuses in which some kid in a suit was resolving a tied vote with a coin toss (lol, lmao). He blatantly peeked under his hand, maybe even manipulated the coin, before revealing it to the delegates, and no one said anything (lmao lol).

  • Sickos [they/them, it/its]
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    2 days ago

    This tracks. Unfortunately, I don't think it will shake the faith in the system of any of the libs in my life, despite its clarity. After all, who are you going to believe? The party that is our last bastion against fascism, or your lying eyes?

    • iie [they/them, he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 days ago

      They still think the democrats mean well. Someone who means well wouldn't do this.

    • FortifiedAttack [he/him]
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      2 days ago

      Jokerfied conspiracy theory: Dems rig it in favor of Trump to get more fundraising, then blame it on Russia.

  • ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip
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    2 days ago

    One reason that electronic with voter verified paper backups is important. Electronic only can't be trusted. I'm not saying I believe there was definitely chicanery, but the fact that we can't verify there was no chicanery is extremely problematic.

    • iie [they/them, he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 days ago

      Two reasons to believe it:

      1. The evidence is strong. These patterns would be extremely unlikely in an untampered election

      2. The Democrats would do this. This is the part that strains belief for some people, but it shouldn’t. If you look at their policies, rather than their rhetoric, you find a near 1:1 match to the class interests of their corporate donors.

      https://pnhp.org/news/gilens-and-page-average-citizens-have-little-impact-on-public-policy/

      Gilens and Page: Average citizens have little impact on public policy

      Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens By Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page Perspectives on Politics, April 9, 2014, forthcoming Fall 2014

      […]

      Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

      Sanders was a milquetoast socdem by hexbear standards but he still presented a real threat to the donor class. A president can be contained, but a president who also promises to be the “organizer-in-chief,” leading grassroots working class campaigns from the Oval Office? That’s a loaded gun.

      If they have the means and motive to ensure that doesn’t happen, they’re going to do it.