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    • TemporalMembrane [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      The Whiskey Rebellion started off peaceful, no violence, just petitions and protests. And in an action that would echo across a couple centuries the protestors were completely ignored until they started tarring and feathering tax collectors and uprising and then the state massively crushed them. The founders hated the people, they thought the people were "a great beast." The founding fathers would give the current state a great big thumbs up on how it handles protests and a giant thumb down on tolerating freed black people.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        When you're a racist slave-owning rapist shit and you still make the top 3 presidents even from a left perspective.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Basically the first thing the "Founding Fathers" did was raise an army and march in to Pennsylvania to terrorize all the farmers in to paying whisky taxes so the "Founding Fathers" could pay off the war debt. It was bullshit from the word Go.

      • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        ah but you see, those farmers explicitly agreed to pay taxes to whomever told them they had to while pointing a gun at them when they all set about to farming on stolen land, so really its their own fault for drawing up the contract that way

    • leftofthat [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I've heard in some instances they'll try and declare it a crime scene so they can exclude the press.

      Which reminds me of the classic chud "stand in front of the camera" move when an arrest goes down. I thought these assholes were supposed to be proud of them "cleaning up the streets"? Something to hide?

        • gramsciezethemeans [he/him,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          I only have a cursory understanding of both but there is definitive overlap in terms the federal government trying to assert itself after the war, especially economically, and fucking over rural economies. Shay's came earlier before the constitution and the Whiskey rebellion came soon after its ratification so both were pretty formative for a federal government establishing itself.

          There are some other good War Nerd episodes on early US financial history if you want more context.