Morherfucker Biden has Trump beat on deportation numbers, record police funding, RICO prosecutions of leftist activists, oil and carbon expansion, number of wars started and oh yeah GENOCIDE
In what universe is that not the definition of accelerationism, the one saving grace of Trump is the ease and magnitude at which resistence to his policies and general admin style manifest both domestically and internationally, to the point he couldn't even build a show wall on the border
The same is not true for dem presidencies, precisely because of fuckers like you who after blue inaugurations put on the blinders and start cheerleading for dems who keep and even expand republican policies
You blue nazis normalized genocide and are now demanding people who are actual human beings to tacitly endorse said genocide by voting for a rotting zionist lich who's DEFINITELY gonna lose????
Seriously lemmy take your dipshit "assumptions" and fuck all the way off
It’s not the action, but the goal. The actions you describe are indefensible, but the goal of those actions is not societal destabilization.
Wtf is this gibberish? The ACTIONS are the causal factors leading to "societal destabilization", are you saying the genocide and taking on board Trump's immigration policy is fine in the long run because the intentions or "goals" are good? Wtf are you talking about you disgusting little shit?
I don’t like for anyone to know who I am, but my face and my name is on my city’s YouTube channel dressing down my entire city council for inaction over a ceasefire resolution - which they then fucking passed. A Palestine flag has been flying outside my house for months. Go read my comment history. Between the hilarious stories of personal tragedy, you’ll find an unwavering position.
You're a piss poor liar and a fraud, a fake-ass reddit clown, all that nonsense chest-thumping is rendered meaningless the minute you accept the conditions of the DNC, if the beginning of any statement implies or begins with "Yes Joe Biden committed genocide.....BUT" then that explicitly defines genocide as conditional and open to negotiation, the absolute definition of a wavering position
Not only have you DONE NOTHING, but you've explicitly endorsed genocide, YOU helped normalize it and no amount of post facto bargaining is gonna wash the blood off your hands fool
You have no credibility with your generalizations
lmao you dumb fuck that's the best you got? "Boo hoo"???? you're crying about how we need to normalize genocide while sitting there pretending like Joe Brandon has any chance of victory after June 27th and you want to talk about credibility? You're so blinded and twisted up by political resentment you don't even realize your political cohort is in the middle of a civil war to oust the rotten lich you elevated as a figure of praxis activism
Wake the fuck up, stop trying to "own the tankies" for five seconds and go watch some mainstream coverage, maybe then the gears in your capitulationist skull will finally figure out you've just been a rube for a political class who doesn't give a fuck about your morally compromised ass
I believe it will be a piecemeal disassembly of everything that isn’t whatever their cultural ideal is. Slow, systemic, and not at a pace where any one group can incense the rest into fighting for them.
It's genuinely incredible that you can't recognize you're talking about yourself here, YOU are part of a political cohort that is attempting to normalize and justify genocide in the name of fuckin harm reduction, willfully ignorant of the fact the Biden admin has played an accelerationist role in US and international politics; record deportations, record police funding, RICO prosecutions of leftist activists, oil and carbon expansion, wars, genocide. These aren't abstract concepts, these are objective facts and there is no way to triangulate around them, because the perpetrators don't even care enough to try, they instead rely on capitulationists like you to cheerlead and sanitize horrors we can all see plain as day
Today it's Palestine, tomorrow who's it gonna be, hmm? What's groups are eligible in your vaunted view for sacrificial duty to preserve this "flawed (mostly pretend) democracy", how many groups need to be put on the chopping block before your self-centered weepy ass realizes you're already goose-stepping with the fascists, how many times are you gonna die coward?
You know what really disgusts me about you scumbags, it's the utter lack of courage or even rudimentary conviction, you people make a virtue of moral cowardice, forsaking solidarity in the name of illusionary political advantage, proudly proclaiming your willingness to push others in front of danger while hilariously labeling yourselves "realists" despite the fact the elites you worship laugh in your faces (Biden: "As long as I know I did my best, I'm happy")
You're a worthless lotus eater with no beliefs or politics, piss off
A capitalist trying to grow capitalism is just greed unless they’re trying to grow capitalism to destabilize society.
lmao you honestly thought that was a profound statement didn't you?
Embracing rapid technological growth for the sake of improving society is contrary to destabilizing society.
Is that what you think Biden is going? Is that what you believe the Democratic Party is all about? Are you gonna start preaching about blockchain next?
Infrastructure sabotage for literally any other reason than societal destabilization - and even if the goal is societal destabilization, if it’s done as part of state actions during wartime or for the sake of committing genocide - then it is not accelerationism.
Is English your second language, again wtf is this gibberish? "Infrastructure sabotage"? "Action without accelerationism"??? It's hilarious the extent to which you're twisting yourself into a incoherent pretzel just for the sake of triangulating a vague-ass defense of genocide
Propping up a demented, rotting, genocidal lich king with worse policies than Trump is by your own tortured metrics and the fake metrics of most libs an accelerationist position, but you're still living in the pre-June 27th lib-world where Biden didn't lose all hope of beating Trump, and now you're coping because without the whole "Only Biden can beat Trump" narrative, you dipshits have nothing to fall back on except drawing attention to Biden's genocide or his Trumpian record
It's honestly been fascinating watching you contort yourself using increasingly bizarre definitions of accelerationism and completely butchering the concept of cause and effect, lmao stay coping shitlib
I’m so fucking sick of people pretending that the best way to deal with our damaged and failing democracy is to not oppose the ones accelerating the failure.
When both major candidates are accelerating the failure, a solution outside of the major candidates is necessary. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for an evil. You can absolutely believe that harm reduction is a good thing, but to act as though it is sufficient to vote for a less evil candidate and not organize on the ground outside the electoral system is naiive.
My assumptions about people who embrace this ideology is that they think being straight white men will spare them and their loved ones when Christian fascists look to enforce their religious ethnostate. Maybe that will work, but what about when they cut all the rest of the social programs, wipe out worker protections/decrease wages to sustainable level, and destroy the environment for the sake of their corporate overlords?
Are these assumptions grounded in statistical analysis, or did you imagine a situation that fits with your world view and believe it as though it were real? There are many trans and POC comrades who disagree with you here.
Secondly, Social Programs are being cut, worker protections are weakening, wages are stagnating, and the environment is being destroyed. Trump may be worse on these, but again, simply voting for a slower rate is not sufficient.
Or they believe the people, after decades of stagnating wages, faltering education, and concerted efforts to divide us socially will all unite with our kitchen cutlery to overthrow a nation backed by the largest fucking military on the planet - and that if those efforts are successful, that the resulting political reorganization won’t just be co-opted by the cooperations that control the media and have already written a new fucking constitution.
You should read The State and Revolution. This is not the strategy or analysis Marxists have, you are again concocting an imagined scenario to fit your world view.
Whether they play or not, they’re in the game. But the approach they’ve taken just helps the folks who want to make things worse for them. We are super, super fucked.
Pretending that not participating is the morally correct play is denial backed by propaganda.
Again, stating that Voting is perhaps the least effective way to oppose fascism does not mean you should not vote, nor does it mean you should not work outside the electoral system. Rather, it's the opposite! Someone who votes alone is far less effective than someone who actively contributes to organizational efforts and unionizing, but skips voting. Doing both is even better!
I agree with you.
I don’t only vote in every single election and argue with strangers online. I go to city council meetings. I email and call elected officials to argue policy. I design, print, and uh… distribute stickers with political messages around town. I’m directly involved with government transparency efforts, and I’m about to start prying at my local RCV group to figure out why they haven’t attempted to field a ballot initiative
This is all still well within the bounds of electoralism. Certainly more than most people can say, but it doesn't truly get at the heart of what historically drives major change, ie organizing and directly contesting.
And, yes, my assumptions are purely assumptions, but they’re rational, I think - the majority of opinions here (or perhaps loudest voices) argue for not voting, and I cannot connect that sentiment to one that trans folks and/or POC would embrace, since that strategy helps the people who want to harm them. But your arguments - which I understand to be that folks should take action, openly acknowledge the failure of the current system, and still vote - would benefit trans/POC folk, and that does invalidate my demographic assumptions.
People here are largely not suggesting simply that change happens by sitting on your thumbs and not voting. People here are arguing that voting, and electoralism in general, is a lost cause for enacting positive change. You should spend a bit of time on Hexbear and see the demographics, the trans space here is one of the largest on Lemmy and one of the most active. I believe the last informal survey found around 40-50% of Hexbear is trans.
I have to be honest. I don’t think I’ll read The State and Revolution. I am interested in your viewpoint, but 100+ pages on a sort of weirdly organized website aren’t really something I think I’m capable of sticking through.
Is it a correct assumption, though, that your intent was to express that the revolution/change would occur through gradual and peaceful social change rather than violent revolution?
No, it's not a correct assumption. Gradualism has never worked in the favor of the Working Class, historically. State and Revolution does not mean individual acts of terrorism are the way to go, either. The point of the text is that reform cannot work in a bourgeois democracy because the class in power will not relinquish power willingly. See what happened to Allende in Chile. Instead, revolution is more of an inevitability, so it's up to leftists to prepare and organize so that the revolution can be properly steered. Occupy Wall Street is an example of a movement with no solid base. Same with Chaz.
I really do suggest reading Leftist theory, you can download State and Revolution and read it on an EReader if you like.
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Morherfucker Biden has Trump beat on deportation numbers, record police funding, RICO prosecutions of leftist activists, oil and carbon expansion, number of wars started and oh yeah GENOCIDE
In what universe is that not the definition of accelerationism, the one saving grace of Trump is the ease and magnitude at which resistence to his policies and general admin style manifest both domestically and internationally, to the point he couldn't even build a show wall on the border
The same is not true for dem presidencies, precisely because of fuckers like you who after blue inaugurations put on the blinders and start cheerleading for dems who keep and even expand republican policies
You blue nazis normalized genocide and are now demanding people who are actual human beings to tacitly endorse said genocide by voting for a rotting zionist lich who's DEFINITELY gonna lose????
Seriously lemmy take your dipshit "assumptions" and fuck all the way off
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Wtf is this gibberish? The ACTIONS are the causal factors leading to "societal destabilization", are you saying the genocide and taking on board Trump's immigration policy is fine in the long run because the intentions or "goals" are good? Wtf are you talking about you disgusting little shit?
You're a piss poor liar and a fraud, a fake-ass reddit clown, all that nonsense chest-thumping is rendered meaningless the minute you accept the conditions of the DNC, if the beginning of any statement implies or begins with "Yes Joe Biden committed genocide.....BUT" then that explicitly defines genocide as conditional and open to negotiation, the absolute definition of a wavering position
Not only have you DONE NOTHING, but you've explicitly endorsed genocide, YOU helped normalize it and no amount of post facto bargaining is gonna wash the blood off your hands fool
lmao you dumb fuck that's the best you got? "Boo hoo"???? you're crying about how we need to normalize genocide while sitting there pretending like Joe Brandon has any chance of victory after June 27th and you want to talk about credibility? You're so blinded and twisted up by political resentment you don't even realize your political cohort is in the middle of a civil war to oust the rotten lich you elevated as a figure of praxis activism
Wake the fuck up, stop trying to "own the tankies" for five seconds and go watch some mainstream coverage, maybe then the gears in your capitulationist skull will finally figure out you've just been a rube for a political class who doesn't give a fuck about your morally compromised ass
yeah but they have a flag!
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It's genuinely incredible that you can't recognize you're talking about yourself here, YOU are part of a political cohort that is attempting to normalize and justify genocide in the name of fuckin harm reduction, willfully ignorant of the fact the Biden admin has played an accelerationist role in US and international politics; record deportations, record police funding, RICO prosecutions of leftist activists, oil and carbon expansion, wars, genocide. These aren't abstract concepts, these are objective facts and there is no way to triangulate around them, because the perpetrators don't even care enough to try, they instead rely on capitulationists like you to cheerlead and sanitize horrors we can all see plain as day
Today it's Palestine, tomorrow who's it gonna be, hmm? What's groups are eligible in your vaunted view for sacrificial duty to preserve this "flawed (mostly pretend) democracy", how many groups need to be put on the chopping block before your self-centered weepy ass realizes you're already goose-stepping with the fascists, how many times are you gonna die coward?
You know what really disgusts me about you scumbags, it's the utter lack of courage or even rudimentary conviction, you people make a virtue of moral cowardice, forsaking solidarity in the name of illusionary political advantage, proudly proclaiming your willingness to push others in front of danger while hilariously labeling yourselves "realists" despite the fact the elites you worship laugh in your faces (Biden: "As long as I know I did my best, I'm happy")
You're a worthless lotus eater with no beliefs or politics, piss off
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I think you should join a communist party and work towards building some dual power
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exemplary way to end a post
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lmao you honestly thought that was a profound statement didn't you?
Is that what you think Biden is going? Is that what you believe the Democratic Party is all about? Are you gonna start preaching about blockchain next?
Propping up a demented, rotting, genocidal lich king with worse policies than Trump is by your own tortured metrics and the fake metrics of most libs an accelerationist position, but you're still living in the pre-June 27th lib-world where Biden didn't lose all hope of beating Trump, and now you're coping because without the whole "Only Biden can beat Trump" narrative, you dipshits have nothing to fall back on except drawing attention to Biden's genocide or his Trumpian record
It's honestly been fascinating watching you contort yourself using increasingly bizarre definitions of accelerationism and completely butchering the concept of cause and effect, lmao stay coping shitlib
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Genocidal scum
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Genocidal scum
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I hope you and everyone you love burn to death
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Fuck off and die
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much more than that really
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When both major candidates are accelerating the failure, a solution outside of the major candidates is necessary. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for an evil. You can absolutely believe that harm reduction is a good thing, but to act as though it is sufficient to vote for a less evil candidate and not organize on the ground outside the electoral system is naiive.
Are these assumptions grounded in statistical analysis, or did you imagine a situation that fits with your world view and believe it as though it were real? There are many trans and POC comrades who disagree with you here.
Secondly, Social Programs are being cut, worker protections are weakening, wages are stagnating, and the environment is being destroyed. Trump may be worse on these, but again, simply voting for a slower rate is not sufficient.
You should read The State and Revolution. This is not the strategy or analysis Marxists have, you are again concocting an imagined scenario to fit your world view.
Again, stating that Voting is perhaps the least effective way to oppose fascism does not mean you should not vote, nor does it mean you should not work outside the electoral system. Rather, it's the opposite! Someone who votes alone is far less effective than someone who actively contributes to organizational efforts and unionizing, but skips voting. Doing both is even better!
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This is all still well within the bounds of electoralism. Certainly more than most people can say, but it doesn't truly get at the heart of what historically drives major change, ie organizing and directly contesting.
People here are largely not suggesting simply that change happens by sitting on your thumbs and not voting. People here are arguing that voting, and electoralism in general, is a lost cause for enacting positive change. You should spend a bit of time on Hexbear and see the demographics, the trans space here is one of the largest on Lemmy and one of the most active. I believe the last informal survey found around 40-50% of Hexbear is trans.
No, it's not a correct assumption. Gradualism has never worked in the favor of the Working Class, historically. State and Revolution does not mean individual acts of terrorism are the way to go, either. The point of the text is that reform cannot work in a bourgeois democracy because the class in power will not relinquish power willingly. See what happened to Allende in Chile. Instead, revolution is more of an inevitability, so it's up to leftists to prepare and organize so that the revolution can be properly steered. Occupy Wall Street is an example of a movement with no solid base. Same with Chaz.
I really do suggest reading Leftist theory, you can download State and Revolution and read it on an EReader if you like.
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