Personally, Gaza and his anti-railway workers union action was enough to destroy any credibility he had so far.
Taking out the trash, any genocide apologists come here to collect your
Same goes for any defense of the genocidal US settler-colonial “republic” and its fascist representatives
Tyrannical and erratic Hexbear ban for defending a war criminal vs. free and democratic lemm.ee preemptive ban for not supporting genocide
Reddit liberals will list 100000 things all of which if actually examined are things Biden never did
it's always very funny seeing their lists and comparing it to real life and realizing that, huh, things didn't actually improve in that area despite Biden authorizing a 50% increase in peepee over an 18 month period to everybody with poopoo. actually if anything things seem to have gotten worse there.
don't believe the evidence of your senses, trust in The Lists
Most are cynical diversity hires that use POC/lgbtqia as political pawns, the rest are things he supposedly "tried to do". He doesn't even have to follow through. Just saying (or [unintelligible]ing them) is counted as a win. Couldn't even get rid of the trumpies in government.
The fact that so many people fall for the gish gallop of nothingness is why we will never get out of 2015.
Also when does any of the gosh gallop of "accomplishments" affect me? My groceries cost more, fast food is $10 for most meals now or more. Gas is expensive. It's harder than ever finding jobs that aren't gig work. So many businesses around me are closing...
I have a friend making $11/hour at Subway right now. What has Biden done for him?
Libs will just yell at you about how it's the best economy ever and you're probably just doing life wrong or something.
There are a few criticisms of Dems from the right that I agree with. #1 being that they are all elitists and smug.
Lol I can't believe this was posted in my house. Thank you, OP for giving me a veritable harvest to feast upon later tonight
Eh, policy wonks have a decent sized list of things he's passed/tried to pass, that will apparently be improving society somewhat in the next few decades provided that the Dems stay in during that entire time.
and actually follow thru with any of it and don't scrap it later because "Republicans would be even worse therefore it's still good"
And?
Are you actually learning something from any of this?
Or are you one of those people who will sit around, vote for the lesser evil and then go
when the lesser evil continues to be evil?The solution is to recognize that this electoral system is a complete failure and acknowledge that it must be completely done away with in favor of something that works
So what are you actually going to DO?
I'm going to do nothing, which is the same thing you're doing, except i'm not jerking myself into a frenzied orgasm over how good it is i VOTED for the LESSER EVIL
If there weren't so many blue maga morons like you who literally will support the DNC no matter what the democrats might have to actually, idk, change what they're doing, but you're too much of a fucking brainlet child to understand that your vote legitimizes their politics and actions
I literally don't understand how you can go through more than a single cycle of "vote for the lesser evil or things will get worse" where things get worse anyway without picking up some kind of fucking clue about this
Well the important thing is you managed to find a way to convince yourself that your laziness and apathy actually makes you better than people who are putting effort in.
Truly, you have this all figured out.
Well-spent political effort is when you wait in line to write "continue genocide" on a sacred piece of paper.;
Oh my god yes voting for the shambling corpse of a neoliberal lich who has presided over America getting worse every moment of his presidency is really PUTTING EFFORT IN 🙄🙄🙄
Good job liberal thank you for electing Hindenburg you've saved Germany!!
you managed to find a way to convince yourself
Literally the most ironic statement ever made lmfao
like christ, please develop the ability to self reflect at some point in your lifeneoliberal lich who has presided over America getting worse every moment of his presidency
This is unfair.
The country also got worse for the 8 years he was vice president. You're erasing a large part of his legacy.
This is unfair.
The country also got worse for the 36 years he was senator. You’re erasing a large part of his legacy.
people who are putting effort in
Taking an hour out of your day to fill out a sheet of paper is not effort.
What a meaningless reply lol
If you tell someone that what they’re doing is pointless, you ought to be prepared to suggest a better course of action.
What a meaningless reply lol
I like how you act as if no action can be valid other than
, I mean you got told here and just acted like a fool whilst acting smug.I just got told something that people that are also voting are also doing, and they’re pretending like they are doing something revolutionary by doing those things while refusing to vote lol.
You guys are acting like leaving tools on the table is somehow going to get the job done faster.
Utterly fucking delusional lol
Have fun endorsing a genocide, you intolerably smug electoral fetishist
Wait surely Biden is the accelerationist candidate though, given that he's a muttering corpse of a man???
Edit: never been called "раб" before, fresh!
Well thanks for letting the class know that you have no idea what accelerationist means lol.
Looking forward to your next snarky reply after you furiously Google the definition and try and find some way to spin out yet another edgy remark.
No you're right, it is actually sort of a toss-up when it comes to which guy would bring about US decline faster - weird rude twitter guy who gives 0 fucks about foreign policy, or shambling brain-melted corpse whose team is so committed to the status quo they'll go down with the ship?In 2016 Trump was obviously the accelerationist candidate.
In 2020, in the middle of covid, I would argue Trump was still the accelerationist candidate.
But in 2024, with two American vassals in the middle of separate wars, bricks continuing to expand and solidify, The failure of Russian sanctions, The failure of microprocessor sanctions on China, The US Navy's defeat in the Red Sea, a covid policy that essentially comes down to "pretend it doesn't exist" and The Democrats embrace of Republican border policy; I have a hard time seeing Biden as anything except the accelerationist choice anymore.
No spin. I want you and everyone you care about suffering. You are no comrade, countryman, or even so much as ally-of-circumstance of mine. You are an existential enemy.
Note: I didn't say dead. I said suffering; because I mean suffering. I curse you to have to live with the consequences of your abject ignorance, to watch your way of life crumble between your fingers like sand, and to be powerless to stop it. Death to Amerika, you insufferable cracker.
Calling anyone "раб" while having US system dependency hardwired into the brain gotta be the least self aware thing i seen in a long time.
The best way to push the dems left is letting them lose, otherwise they will continue to sprint to the right.
What tool? The tool is a gun that points its barrel back at the wielder. Hell, you epitomize that tool-- useless save only as an art piece dedicated to the abject rot of the West.
Jfc how incredibly brainless, keep smashing your dick in the dick smashing machine while hoping that maybe it'll stop smashing dicks someday
the american has fallen in love with the system that oppresses them
You acknowledge that your vote is performative and yet still chose to vote for genocide?
Still voting Biden. Easy choice. Not even close.
damn right, the only way to stop Hitler is to vote for Hindenburg, the lesser evil
"I fully acknowledge that what I'm doing doesn't actually affect anything, but I'm still going to shame you for not also doing it." This is either cognitive dissonance or lying, which is it? Personally I think you're just lying about acknowledging that the system is broken, because if you did acknowledge that you wouldn't be so smug about endorsing that system.
Sure, but if you truly understood it you would realize that voting for Biden is exactly as useful as sitting right where you are.
So to truly understand that this electoral system is a complete failure is to do nothing? Or is there an alternative I can do that you haven't mentioned yet? I have seen a lot of people argue against voting like this "because it's worthless" or "because it supports genocide" while I have yet to see anyone propose something to do that is more actionable or directly effective than voting.
Better than voting would be to join a communist party and work towards dual power, especially in your workplaces/unions
I don’t see how that’s “better than voting.” Why are the two things worth comparing? Why can’t I do both? What makes voting inherently bad?
Voting for a genocide means that you are perfectly fine with getting your turn in the ovens later on.
How many dead kids will it take for you to vote 3rd party?
Wait am I supposed to vote or supposed to not vote? I was under the impression that not voting is how we save the lives of kids
You believe in nothing and will get the reward a traitor deserves: a mouthful of ashes in your time of greatest need.
Just gonna say it’s really hard not to draw comparisons between the rhetoric I see across Hexbear and the rhetoric I saw on r/the_donald back in 2016. I’m not saying that as a judgment on the quality of ideas because there’s definitely a lot more communal-focused thought on Hexbear, but fucking hell for being a community that’s notably communist you all give zero shits about being a community that’s inviting to other people
I don't give a fuck about what a genocide denier has to say, fuck off liberal.
It is better than voting because you will help create the world in which we no longer have to choose between red or blue genocide, and more importantly no longer need to hash these dumb online arguments every 2 years
You could do both. The thing to recognize is that voting is nothing. Nothing is accomplished by voting.
Here's my plan, and I'll even tell you without being a
Abandon electoralism as the primary method of achieving anything, its become blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention that things will not improve under our current system and wasting time trying to get people elected will not help anyone
Next is to establish a network of interconnected mutal aid groups, to provide to the people all that they need and deserve. The government has shown it doesn't care about maintaining any actual infrastructure or protecting the vulnerable which leads to my third point
We need a vanguard, both to protect the people who need it and to punish those who would oppose our work. They would be armed and trained and held to a higher standard than our enemies
With the support network and vanguard in place, we can spread our message and gather support up, it won't be easy but it will be better than sitting on our hands and having a heart attack every four years for the rest of our lives
I was half expecting them to come back with something like "That's unfeasible" or "Good luck fighting the army" or one of the countless other
wet farts they always squeeze out
literally leninism
it doesnt even need to be violent if they werent so keen to fight back with violence
The thing to learn is that there's no hope to be found in the 'democratic' system that's in place. It's going to get worse, not because we didn't vote for the genocidal fascist with the exact same policies as the other uncouth genocidal fascist, but because of more fundamental forces are going to continue to play out either way. It's about getting past that step in 'what should I do' to the next one.
You can struggle with yourself over the premise but once you acknowledge it's true, you have to pick yourself up and move on to planning for the future we're stuck with and how to connect that end with the future we all deserve.
Help my community as best I can by volunteering and hopefully organizing, vote on select local issues, and donating to try and negate the damage your guy 99% Hitler does
What're you gonna do besides whine at leftists and vote blue on everything?
There are literal books filled with thoughts on how to approach electoral participation that you could read if you earnestly cared. Parenti covers it, Marx covers it in Kapital, Lenin covers it in State and Revolution, and that's just the basics
Ahh so you’re going to do all the same shit that millions of the “vote blue” people you so casually dismiss are already doing, while also making it easier for trump to get into office and make things worse, faster.
About the answer I expected lol
“vote blue” ppl are probably not volunteering and organizing in anything meaningful. campaigning for a fascist corpse so he can defeat the more lively fascist is not meaningful.
democrats are identical to republicans on immigration, healthcare, wage stagnation, and tax breaks for the wealthy. and their inaction on abortion, the dismantling of LGBT rights, and climate change make them effectively no different from republicans on this. so what makes them better?
im not voting for someone who entered politics as a segregationist and hasnt demonstrated meaningful change in that position. someone who is “personally opposed” to abortion. someone who allowed the right to take away our rights while he was the head of state/government
if we vote for biden it sends the message that we are okay with what is happening, what he is allowing to happen. even if biden said he would fight for Medicare for all and a $15 min wage, why should i believe him? what has he kept his promise on? i can name one promise he kept: nothing will fundamentally change. except that was only a half-truth bc it actually got worse
I forgot how voting against an anti abortion amendment in my state is the same as voting for genocide Joe.
If you'd actually read any theory, you'd have noticed the nuance present regarding electoralism.
So smug, wrong, and unwilling to change or read more than two sentences; you came to reinforce your own views and will leave none the wiser.
So, what do you do? You go to work and do your job and don’t make waves like a good serf, vote for m’lord every 2-4 years, donate to an NGO run by some billionaire’s failchild making $250k a year as they spend 90% of donations on admin? Sneer at homeless people, why can’t they just get a job and pay rent like everybody else? Volunteer once a year, probably between Thanksgiving and Christmas, and say “well I’ve done my part for this disgusting poors!”
And then you and your family die in a wet bulb event because the power grid couldn’t handle it. Or you catch the next pandemic virus and are unable to work, so you end up panhandling on the street, and the cops who you support and who your guy gave a ton of money and military equipment to beat the shit out of you for fun, leaving you to die, alone in an alley.
Anyway, keep doing what you’re doing! The billionaires will surely solve this!
Don't forget being a smug, wrong pedant on a niche leftist forum lmao
On reddit, the performative idiots like this tended to explain themselves by saying they were making a point that was directed less at their target of condescension and more to any prospective readers
Who is gonna read this besides lemmee denizens and hexbear users, all of whom firmly made up their minds years ago in all likelihood?
They're just here to be an aggro dickhead
It's practice mode for debating these fools IRL or more public online spaces.
"I'm doing my part!"
[Gives $20 to Human Rights Campaign]
OK, so I will take your argument and go spend 30 minutes to an hour to go fill in some bubbles at my local voting site.
Great, now what are YOU doing in the other 364 days?
Yes
And in the immortal words of ICP "if you don't like it, you can... FUCK OFFFFFFFF"
Damn, didn't know voting genocide was voting left in any amount, checkmate commies
You can tell yourself that you’re voting left but the Overton Window still shifts right. Look at immigration. Look at the courts. Roe. It’s taking a hard right with the “left” candidate already in office.
If it’s going to go right either way, then focus your efforts on something else.
The change that I make might not “do anything”, but I am not going to just punch in Team Blue and then sit back and blame things on other people not voting the way you think they should have voted. That’s not doing anything at all.
Biden has personally done more to shift the window to the right than any other living person, the only other figure from the 20th century who even comes close was Reagan and Biden is to Reagan's right on a lot of things
Heh, it’s just a simple calculus for me. I vote for the liberals to stop the conservatives and move the overton window left, the liberals prop up the farthest-right conservatives in the next election and keep everything in limbo so of course I have to vote for the liberals again as their politics get worse, then we’ll see what happens but I got a good feeling; really it’s just me doing my part. A “thank you“ would be nice, but I’m not in it for the glory.
Your calculus is so simple you completely forgot to account for the rate of change.
me voting for Biden in a state that hasn't been blue since Nixon
This is strategic voting.
me voting for Biden in a state that hasn't been blue since Nixon
This is strategic voting.
Ok so try political change that destroys a system that forces you to vote for blue or red genocide every 2 years
If neither major presidential candidate is moving against genocide, might it be better to build up a new party that is against genocide, or join an existing anti-genocide party?
Is it better to build an entirely new political party vs vote for the better of two candidates in the 2024 election?
Depends on the direct ways in which one party is better, by how much, and what will materially change.
Your imaginary new party does not and will not have a candidate in 2024 so that isn't a relevant proposal.
PSL does exist, and Claudia De La Cruz is on the ballot representing them. If that's all that is necessary to be a relevant proposal then I implore you to suggest PSL to your friends and family.
The easier alternative is to work in the primaries to get a candidate you prefer into the two-candidate race.
Sure wish there was a Primary I could have voted in, and I sure wish the DNC had any good candidates to begin with.
Might it be better to build a new party instead of that? Depends on how you think the new party will be received. Maybe.
PSL has been recieving increased support at a rapid pace.
Restraining them by -checks notes- sending them weapons and allowing them to use their satellite data to bomb them? By trying to redefine antisemitism as criticism of Israel and therefore trying to validate their actions?🤔
The word you're looking for is "enabling", as in "Joe is enabling the genocide of Palestinians less than Trump would".
Also you need something to back up the claim.
removed the point is both sides are doing the same shit so why vote for either? Jesus man
What ballot initiative is there we can vote on to stop the genocide?
You're the only one advocating for doing nothing about genocide, you scum
between the options I have
There are third parties who do not endorse genocide, if you are twisting yourself in circles to justify voting for genocide then I do not respect you or anything you claim to stand for, and you are my enemy.
They're banned btw, they reported you folks first and I banned them before your report even came in lol
Whining about being bullied after starting a fight and doubling down on lib takes.
when he threatened to pause
So... I'm not hearing that he actually paused, or even reduced, the weapon shipments here, which kinda means you're still just assuring us that trump would definitely be way worse.
But let me know where you want the goalposts next.
Shut your reddittoid debatelord fuck hole you little pissweasel, I haven't moved a single goalpost - I asked for evidence Trump would be worse, and you failed to provide that, so I asked follow up questions so your ignorant ass could find a better way to make your point.
Also, you do know about the result of that aid pause, right? Israel invaded Rafah anyway and Joe backed down like a good imperialist dog. Holding back some bombs for a little while didn't slow the genocide in the slightest, it just meant their stockpiles didn't get replenished quite so quickly. Like sure, technically you fulfilled your own conditions of showing Biden paused the shipments, but the goalposts I set at the start were Biden enabling the genocide less than Trump (hypothetically) would. If the pause not only has no effect on the genocide, but ends up being backtracked on, can you really say that he's enabling them less than Trump would? Sure the schedule's not the same, but the effects are.
I have personally been harmed by Biden's policies
Um, sweaty, have you considered that no, you haven't?
That insulin should be free. The patent for insulin was sold for a dollar by the original inventors because they recognized what it meant.
Your point stands, I guess, the complaint I have is that Biden farts in the wind and calls it perfume and wants credit for it.
Voting in a capitalist dictatorship works, you can tell because after 200 years of it, it gives you two segregationist rapist 80 year olds to choose from. /s
Clearly a strategy that keeps getting better over time, and proof that everything will fix itself if we keep doing the same thing.
You can vote, and should do so, especially in local elections. Voting will not actually improve conditions, however, so organizing is necessary, and more important than voting.
Morherfucker Biden has Trump beat on deportation numbers, record police funding, RICO prosecutions of leftist activists, oil and carbon expansion, number of wars started and oh yeah GENOCIDE
In what universe is that not the definition of accelerationism, the one saving grace of Trump is the ease and magnitude at which resistence to his policies and general admin style manifest both domestically and internationally, to the point he couldn't even build a show wall on the border
The same is not true for dem presidencies, precisely because of fuckers like you who after blue inaugurations put on the blinders and start cheerleading for dems who keep and even expand republican policies
You blue nazis normalized genocide and are now demanding people who are actual human beings to tacitly endorse said genocide by voting for a rotting zionist lich who's DEFINITELY gonna lose????
Seriously lemmy take your dipshit "assumptions" and fuck all the way off
It’s not the action, but the goal. The actions you describe are indefensible, but the goal of those actions is not societal destabilization.
Wtf is this gibberish? The ACTIONS are the causal factors leading to "societal destabilization", are you saying the genocide and taking on board Trump's immigration policy is fine in the long run because the intentions or "goals" are good? Wtf are you talking about you disgusting little shit?
I don’t like for anyone to know who I am, but my face and my name is on my city’s YouTube channel dressing down my entire city council for inaction over a ceasefire resolution - which they then fucking passed. A Palestine flag has been flying outside my house for months. Go read my comment history. Between the hilarious stories of personal tragedy, you’ll find an unwavering position.
You're a piss poor liar and a fraud, a fake-ass reddit clown, all that nonsense chest-thumping is rendered meaningless the minute you accept the conditions of the DNC, if the beginning of any statement implies or begins with "Yes Joe Biden committed genocide.....BUT" then that explicitly defines genocide as conditional and open to negotiation, the absolute definition of a wavering position
Not only have you DONE NOTHING, but you've explicitly endorsed genocide, YOU helped normalize it and no amount of post facto bargaining is gonna wash the blood off your hands fool
You have no credibility with your generalizations
lmao you dumb fuck that's the best you got? "Boo hoo"???? you're crying about how we need to normalize genocide while sitting there pretending like Joe Brandon has any chance of victory after June 27th and you want to talk about credibility? You're so blinded and twisted up by political resentment you don't even realize your political cohort is in the middle of a civil war to oust the rotten lich you elevated as a figure of praxis activism
Wake the fuck up, stop trying to "own the tankies" for five seconds and go watch some mainstream coverage, maybe then the gears in your capitulationist skull will finally figure out you've just been a rube for a political class who doesn't give a fuck about your morally compromised ass
I believe it will be a piecemeal disassembly of everything that isn’t whatever their cultural ideal is. Slow, systemic, and not at a pace where any one group can incense the rest into fighting for them.
It's genuinely incredible that you can't recognize you're talking about yourself here, YOU are part of a political cohort that is attempting to normalize and justify genocide in the name of fuckin harm reduction, willfully ignorant of the fact the Biden admin has played an accelerationist role in US and international politics; record deportations, record police funding, RICO prosecutions of leftist activists, oil and carbon expansion, wars, genocide. These aren't abstract concepts, these are objective facts and there is no way to triangulate around them, because the perpetrators don't even care enough to try, they instead rely on capitulationists like you to cheerlead and sanitize horrors we can all see plain as day
Today it's Palestine, tomorrow who's it gonna be, hmm? What's groups are eligible in your vaunted view for sacrificial duty to preserve this "flawed (mostly pretend) democracy", how many groups need to be put on the chopping block before your self-centered weepy ass realizes you're already goose-stepping with the fascists, how many times are you gonna die coward?
You know what really disgusts me about you scumbags, it's the utter lack of courage or even rudimentary conviction, you people make a virtue of moral cowardice, forsaking solidarity in the name of illusionary political advantage, proudly proclaiming your willingness to push others in front of danger while hilariously labeling yourselves "realists" despite the fact the elites you worship laugh in your faces (Biden: "As long as I know I did my best, I'm happy")
You're a worthless lotus eater with no beliefs or politics, piss off
I think you should join a communist party and work towards building some dual power
A capitalist trying to grow capitalism is just greed unless they’re trying to grow capitalism to destabilize society.
lmao you honestly thought that was a profound statement didn't you?
Embracing rapid technological growth for the sake of improving society is contrary to destabilizing society.
Is that what you think Biden is going? Is that what you believe the Democratic Party is all about? Are you gonna start preaching about blockchain next?
Infrastructure sabotage for literally any other reason than societal destabilization - and even if the goal is societal destabilization, if it’s done as part of state actions during wartime or for the sake of committing genocide - then it is not accelerationism.
Is English your second language, again wtf is this gibberish? "Infrastructure sabotage"? "Action without accelerationism"??? It's hilarious the extent to which you're twisting yourself into a incoherent pretzel just for the sake of triangulating a vague-ass defense of genocidePropping up a demented, rotting, genocidal lich king with worse policies than Trump is by your own tortured metrics and the fake metrics of most libs an accelerationist position, but you're still living in the pre-June 27th lib-world where Biden didn't lose all hope of beating Trump, and now you're coping because without the whole "Only Biden can beat Trump" narrative, you dipshits have nothing to fall back on except drawing attention to Biden's genocide or his Trumpian record
It's honestly been fascinating watching you contort yourself using increasingly bizarre definitions of accelerationism and completely butchering the concept of cause and effect, lmao stay coping shitlib
I’m so fucking sick of people pretending that the best way to deal with our damaged and failing democracy is to not oppose the ones accelerating the failure.
When both major candidates are accelerating the failure, a solution outside of the major candidates is necessary. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for an evil. You can absolutely believe that harm reduction is a good thing, but to act as though it is sufficient to vote for a less evil candidate and not organize on the ground outside the electoral system is naiive.
My assumptions about people who embrace this ideology is that they think being straight white men will spare them and their loved ones when Christian fascists look to enforce their religious ethnostate. Maybe that will work, but what about when they cut all the rest of the social programs, wipe out worker protections/decrease wages to sustainable level, and destroy the environment for the sake of their corporate overlords?
Are these assumptions grounded in statistical analysis, or did you imagine a situation that fits with your world view and believe it as though it were real? There are many trans and POC comrades who disagree with you here.
Secondly, Social Programs are being cut, worker protections are weakening, wages are stagnating, and the environment is being destroyed. Trump may be worse on these, but again, simply voting for a slower rate is not sufficient.
Or they believe the people, after decades of stagnating wages, faltering education, and concerted efforts to divide us socially will all unite with our kitchen cutlery to overthrow a nation backed by the largest fucking military on the planet - and that if those efforts are successful, that the resulting political reorganization won’t just be co-opted by the cooperations that control the media and have already written a new fucking constitution.
You should read The State and Revolution. This is not the strategy or analysis Marxists have, you are again concocting an imagined scenario to fit your world view.
Whether they play or not, they’re in the game. But the approach they’ve taken just helps the folks who want to make things worse for them. We are super, super fucked.
Pretending that not participating is the morally correct play is denial backed by propaganda.Again, stating that Voting is perhaps the least effective way to oppose fascism does not mean you should not vote, nor does it mean you should not work outside the electoral system. Rather, it's the opposite! Someone who votes alone is far less effective than someone who actively contributes to organizational efforts and unionizing, but skips voting. Doing both is even better!
I agree with you.
I don’t only vote in every single election and argue with strangers online. I go to city council meetings. I email and call elected officials to argue policy. I design, print, and uh… distribute stickers with political messages around town. I’m directly involved with government transparency efforts, and I’m about to start prying at my local RCV group to figure out why they haven’t attempted to field a ballot initiativeThis is all still well within the bounds of electoralism. Certainly more than most people can say, but it doesn't truly get at the heart of what historically drives major change, ie organizing and directly contesting.
And, yes, my assumptions are purely assumptions, but they’re rational, I think - the majority of opinions here (or perhaps loudest voices) argue for not voting, and I cannot connect that sentiment to one that trans folks and/or POC would embrace, since that strategy helps the people who want to harm them. But your arguments - which I understand to be that folks should take action, openly acknowledge the failure of the current system, and still vote - would benefit trans/POC folk, and that does invalidate my demographic assumptions.
People here are largely not suggesting simply that change happens by sitting on your thumbs and not voting. People here are arguing that voting, and electoralism in general, is a lost cause for enacting positive change. You should spend a bit of time on Hexbear and see the demographics, the trans space here is one of the largest on Lemmy and one of the most active. I believe the last informal survey found around 40-50% of Hexbear is trans.
I have to be honest. I don’t think I’ll read The State and Revolution. I am interested in your viewpoint, but 100+ pages on a sort of weirdly organized website aren’t really something I think I’m capable of sticking through.
Is it a correct assumption, though, that your intent was to express that the revolution/change would occur through gradual and peaceful social change rather than violent revolution?No, it's not a correct assumption. Gradualism has never worked in the favor of the Working Class, historically. State and Revolution does not mean individual acts of terrorism are the way to go, either. The point of the text is that reform cannot work in a bourgeois democracy because the class in power will not relinquish power willingly. See what happened to Allende in Chile. Instead, revolution is more of an inevitability, so it's up to leftists to prepare and organize so that the revolution can be properly steered. Occupy Wall Street is an example of a movement with no solid base. Same with Chaz.
I really do suggest reading Leftist theory, you can download State and Revolution and read it on an EReader if you like.
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I understand that you were referencing the dinosaur meme that @Mindfury@hexbear.net's avi is from, but I was disappointed in myself for being so online as to recognize it immediately in text form.
was only doing what the unions asked him to do!
