Musk is extremely reddit-brained, I'm surprised it took this long to introduce dislikes/down votes
Reddit and other sites of the link-aggregator-forum hybrid model are built on developing communities. Microblogging is a much more individualist approach and Twitter especially is built on developing followings for prominent people to have a soap box with a large audience. The only site that is comparable in terms of developing cults of personality is youtube and Musk had no hope of buying that.
Twitter is already one of the most draining sites as is, dislikes are gonna probably kill someone out of a stroke in their subconsciousness
Also - I'm sure that somehow Elon's algos will allow right-wing bots to mass downvote freely. Some rando will say that they tweeted "Nazis suck" and within 60 seconds they had ~100 downvotes. And they'll say after they tweeted a screengrab of that - both tweets were removed without explanation.
Looking into it.
Why press a dislike button when you can ratio instead?
My adrenaline spike when I have two comments for every up bear in my post.
All the science is against this. There is a damn reason every site with one has removed it.
The effect of this on twitter will be to simultaneously upset EVERYONE. LGBT people still on the site will be mass downvoted by far right. The chuds on the site will be mass harassed by the left. All groups will be upset by it.
Any large account will be able to cause a mob of downvotes with a simple retweet. The result of getting downvoted won't improve anyone's behaviour it will instead make them more hostile and more toxic.
There is a damn reason every site with one has removed it
I strongly disagree with that, removing dislikes on youtube was one of the numerous shit decisions youtube tooks. And it's a general opinion.
You can disagree with it but there are numerous studies that back this up. These decisions have not been made on vibes.
Dislikes is a way of expressing your opinion. When you post something on the internet you have to accept peoples may not agree/like it, either internet is not for you. Critics are also a good way to improve yourself.
It's not a reduction of any engagement, it's a reduction in negative engagement.
These are competing social media services that people use primarily for fun. People want to enjoy their time in these spaces and if they don't enjoy it they go somewhere else.
Anyway the downvotes don't help people to "improve yourself". They encourage worse behaviour. Recipients of downvotes do not adjust their behaviour positively they go into a spiral of behaving in even more ways that produce even more downvotes.
Look here:
“We find that negative feedback leads to significant behavioural changes that are detrimental to the community,” say Cheng and co.
“Not only do authors of negatively-evaluated content contribute more, but also their future posts are of lower quality, and are perceived by the community as such,” they say. And it gets worse: “These authors are more likely to subsequently evaluate their fellow users negatively, percolating these effects through the community.”
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.1429
When you post something on the internet you have to accept peoples may not agree/like it, either internet is not for you
This is not true at all, most internet platforms are designed to connect you with like minded people and severely reduce likelihood of disagreement.
Critics are also a good way to improve yourself.
No they aren't if they are just random strangers whose input you did not ask for or know whether to value, and the criticism only comes in the form of wordless downvotes. I mean name one time you have personally improved yourself because your comment got mass downvoted.
There's many peoples that use dislikes to know if they will like a video or not. Every opinion systems has their evil side and restricting it dosn't improve content quality on a platform, or even "reduce harassment" like they said.
There are not many people that this actually describes, unless it's for instructional videos, which already get recommended and boosted for quality by the algorithm based on view count and average seconds watched. Unless you have solid numbers, "There's many peoples" is not a reliable enough fact to operate based on.
Everything other than instructional videos is watched by: people who have a preexisting interest in a video searching for/clicking on it already certain they will like it, a content creator's existing subscriber community, or a person seeing the video shared by someone they know--usually embedded outside of YouTube. In zero of these cases will the person watching the video get to see the like/dislike bar before starting to watch the video, and in nearly zero of these cases will seeing the dislike bar alone dissuade someone from watching the rest of a video. Reading the comment section might dissuade them, but that still exists.
Overall the dislike bar serves brigading, botting, and protest voting campaigns more accurately and frequently than it serves as an indicator of quality for the majority of types of YouTube videos. After all, what meaningful difference in action would a 12% down voted video have on you vs a 20% down voted one? Most bars are still majority green so quality is not readily discernable, and the majority of the heavily red video bars of non-instructional videos are caused by brigading and targeted harassment and therefore also not reflective of quality.
And restricting dislikes actually does reduce harassment, as tested extensively by researchers with a financial interest in understanding the truth and increasing the positive experience of its users. Your arguments however are from the realm of wishful thinking and conjecture.
But we are getting away from your original arguments: dislikes for YouTube videos produced with effort are still more valid than dislike counters on every tweeted out off-hand thought as proposed by Elon, dislike tallies are not useful criticism of anything without accompanying written feedback, dislike tallies have not directly helped you or anyone else to improve themselves, but every platform user being made to think twice about how many dislikes each post of their could receive could cause unnecessary self-censorship. Lastly, the internet is for everyone, including those who want to create and post all day but also avoid seeing a visual counter of dislikes on everything they put out there.
The youtube dislike button did the exact opposite of what everyone thought it did (at least it DID for a significant length of time).
It promoted the video. Any end user interaction was/is considered positive for any video. Disliking a video was/is no different. Honestly not sure if it did or does much for comments either. And the whole "people will see negative dislikes and see people dislike it for some reason and hopefully learn why" might work somewhat, but is largely cope. People aren't going to look at it 95% of the time.
Dislikes on videos from creators trying to build an audience is not the same as dislikes on random people's tweets. Not to mention even on YouTube the feature didn't work, because most people like most videos they choose to watch, so therefore the majority of videos that got mostly downvotes were brigaded for reasons unrelated to their quality.
The effect of this on twitter will be to simultaneously upset EVERYONE
that sounds very entertaining, i cant wait.
The actual headline is so ugly. Why write it that way? It sounds like a stupid person trying very hard to sound smart.
It's gonna be great when musk gets ratioed by this and disables it
I think he'll go a different way. I think people will be able to click the downvote button his tweets but nothing beyond that will happen.
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