Like, CIA troops are fighting Pentagon troops in Syria. Suppression of the political opposition and creeping hard power is being carried out by local police departments and unions. The historectomies in ICE camps were being carried out by a rogue contractor. It doesn't even feel like a movement so much as the aggregate effort of thousands of disparate forces.
Iirc things were pretty disorganized in Nazi Germany itself. You had various organizations and institutions constantly going behind each other's backs and competing against each other so that they'd be the ones to win the fuhrer's favor. From Wikipedia:
Hitler's leadership style was to give contradictory orders to his subordinates and to place them into positions where their duties and responsibilities overlapped with those of others, to have "the stronger one [do] the job". In this way, Hitler fostered distrust, competition, and infighting among his subordinates to consolidate and maximise his own power.
Also research the concept of "working towards the fuhrer" which explains the power structure of Nazi germany well, designed by Ian Kershaw
This is a key reason for the Nazi’s horrific intelligence networks and Recon capabilities during the war. The intelligence orgs were fighting more against eachother then the allies and the recon groups were given zero resources. The result was the sheer stupidity that was the Nazi predictions for Barbarossa and hilarious shit like ever Nazi agent present in the UK being flipped by Mi5 to feed false info and the Nazi’s not realizing
That's because it is. It's all separate groups who's general interests align. That's the beauty of Marxism. We can explain all of that without the need for smoke filled back room dealing and conspiring, although there is plenty of that going around too.
The real kicker would be governors activating national guard to suppress cops and militias. That would signal the total split rather than the tug of war we have now
If the whole thing about a contested election happens this is a scenario that could play out. Especially if Biden is declared prez but Trump doesn't step down and there is plausible deniability in the mind of chuds. You could see cops and militias siding with Trump and the NG being called to restore order. It sounds ridiculous but so did a lot of shit that's happened in the past 6 months.
Not only his failure to take direction on Venezuela :vuvuzela: but he actually cut funding to the color revolution fund and has been deporting CIA propagandists that are in the country to work at RFA/RFE/RL. Like he's not just refusing to re-up their visas, he's literally blocking them from getting any kind of visa and in some cases revoking their current ones lmao. That plus the fact that he fucking hates NATO puts him in the cross hairs of the more imperialistic strata of Capital.
The one thing I'm surprised by is the oil industry isn't deserting him because of the Venezuela situation. I'd assume our oil companies want to loot their oil reserves.
Yeah the Imperialist machine has come to an impasse where the only real targets left are extremely daunting hard targets, but Venezuela is for sure the weakest. The Imperial apparatus wants Venezuela, Iran, Russia and the grand prize China. All of these will result in massive casualties and destabilization. Unfortunately though I think in Venezuela the mass casualties would mostly be Venezuelans. They'd just use iron fisted fascism to rule it.
Given all the militias, the broad base of support, the loyalty of the military, and the support from Russia et al., I don't think we'd be able to beat Venezuela even in an all-out war. I think it would be another Vietnam.
It would absolutely be another Vietnam. I don't think we would get our hands dirty though. We'd give the Brazilians and Colombians a bunch of fancy weaponry, block any info from leaving the country and let them completely smash the population into submission. Like indiscriminate bombing of collectivos, burning crops, trying to starve people into submission etc.
where can I read more about this visa shit, that sounds hilarious. comrade Trump strikes again
It's honestly one of the funniest occurrences in Trump's accidental anti-imperialism https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/24/trump-open-technology-fund-hong-kong-belarus-iran
this is amazing. the dumbass nationalist faction is eating the lunch of the international capital faction, Matt has talked about this split in the GOP on the vlogs
The contradictions of the American Bourgeoisie are wild rn. I think it's more complex than small holders vs big capital but that is part of it. You have heavy industry like oil & gas, mining, construction that often is very big money, in Coalition with the petit bourgeois small property holders against a liberal coalition of tech, finance, and urban PMC interests. It's gotten to the point that they basically can't peacefully coexist. One of them has to dominate the other.
yeah I edited it to nationalist because I think that captures the mindset better but your coalition comment is more material and explanatory
Yeah I mean it's definitely a part of it though. The petit bourgeois is always extremely reactionary, and they're definitely a major part of their axis of evil lol. I remember Matt doing an episode of History as a Weapon with the Antifada or maybe it was inebriated past I don't remember, but it was about how the Democratic and Republican party have become ideologically distinct and conflicting and the only real resolution is a reordering of society. He was basically right though he didn't go too deep into the material analysis of it to explain why. I think we are really seen ng it come to a head.
The question we have on the left Is what do we do if shit pops off? The most likely scenario would be different state security forces would clash and there would be a very different kind of civil war. Probably something not too unlike the Syrian Civil war. Personally if this happens I think we should enter into a United Front with the libs and take up arms against the chuds, while refusing to be controlled. If we could finesse that into getting arms and funding, we could be in a good place to turn a civil war into a revolution.
Then again, none of this could happen and the military, cops and DHS could all side together and just impose full blown fascism lol.
pretty sure the ep you're thinking of is Inebriated Past 5, Chapo 329 DemoCRIPS and ReBLOODlicans
Yeah that's it. I might listen to it again. I always liked the inebriated past episodes.
It's wild how we got into this mess all because America was like "that commie shit is sus" about a century ago.
It extends back much further than that. We were founded on it. Fuck, the US wasn't even a country for long before they were already shooting down peasant rebellions.
Shay's Rebellion was all like "Yo are you guys gonna pay us for all those years of fighting we did against the brits? No? You're also gonna tax me while owing me? You're putting me in debtor's prison? Fuck you rebellion time."
Then our esteemed and holy founding father George Washingston put them down
Yeah and don't forget not long after THAT the Whiskey Rebellion came along where our friend Alexander Hamilton openly admitted to using a tax scheme that benefitted larger corporations and fucked over the little guy, and Washington also put THAT one down.
Truly he was the Obama of his time
Welcome to modern political movements as discussed in “it can happen here” it’s why any civil war In this country will be a multi sided cluster truck.
cluster truck
Is this a new battle formation the chuds are using
The AR-15 that you keep in your truck in case shit hits the fan while you're at Home Depot and you need to kill a few...zombies...to get back to your lawn.
Just another thing that proves central planning correct :stalin-shining:
All of that comes crashing down when water shortages start to kick off. When infrastructure on every single one of those decentralised fronts begins to fail simultaneously and no amount of money can resolve geographical problems the entire thing destabilises and collapses inwards on itself.
I'm not so sure it would shake out that way. The government has consistently signaled that it will abandon local regions to their fate when times get rough. On the other hand, the Fed has said pretty much explicitly that they will be printing unlimited money for banks, hedge funds, major institutions and large corporations for the foreseeable future, inflation be damned. Instead of "collapsing in on itself" I see regions competing for attention and resources. So political fights turn into fights for survival. Not everywhere in the United States will feel the pain equally.
What's really odd to me though, is that people seem intent on moving into and staying in areas that anybody with a brain can see are going to be experiencing huge challenges in the future (Phoenix , AZ and about 90% of Florida being the obvious examples). Arizona has been locked into battle with Colorado and most of the rest of the southwest for several decades over the water issue. There's no shortage of blame to go around, so the natural tendency of Americans to find an enemy has been well-exercised.
The DoD thinks it will shake out that way. They have explicitly stated the entire military is at risk of collapse due to water shortage in a recent report
Good summary of report here: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbmkz8/us-military-could-collapse-within-20-years-due-to-climate-change-report-commissioned-by-pentagon-says
But without urgent reforms, the report warns that the US military itself could end up effectively collapsing as it tries to respond to climate collapse. It could lose capacity to contain threats in the US and could wilt into “mission failure” abroad due to inadequate water supplies.
Water is currently 30-40 percent of the costs required to sustain a US military force operating abroad, according to the new Army report.
Water is the biggest threat to every single tendril of the US abroad. And every tendril at home is going to be threatened by displacement of populations and food scarcity as worldwide shortages as well as California no longer being able to produce food will leave the US with massive food insecurity.
If a MASSIVE investment and infrastructure planning does not begin to prevent this, right now, the stresses their whole system are under will not survive it.
Critical support for comrade Climate Change in its battle against U.S. imperialism.
