I just had an almost really good moment with a group of students where the main guy that was arguing against me was going to have to make some pretty big admissions (he was defending trickle down economics and he was going with the old reliable"if you don't earn enough just work hard and come up with a better product so you can get rich"). However, a few people quickly started to say "well if Socialism is so good how come vuvuzuela cuba etc. etc." and this was a really tough point, because this is in Puerto Rico so one of them has been to Cuba, and he said something about how he couldn't believe the conditions they lived in. Funny enough, he just meant most people didn't own cars. But I really, really didn't want to risk saying that Cuba's conditions are actually great, or that Castro was a good leader, because that would just make me look like I'm insane to a crowd of young people who've heard nothing but "Cuba bad" their whole lives. I kind of lost control of the conversation at that point and I didn't get much progress; I'm afraid I may have even poisoned the well since I'm now kinda the Cuba Stan in a lot of their minds.

So yeah, how do you avoid this? I want to get some people to recognize that capitalism doesn't work, but it's really hard to do that when they're been brainwashed this badly. I don't want to do the "you could just be a demsoc" routine, but is that my only option? I'd prefer not to have to tell half truths about reformism being viable, but I also don't want to be the guy telling people to buy guns.

  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I've never been to either puerto rico or cuba but isn't cuba economically far better off than puerto rico, and isn't puerto rico's population falling drastically with basically economic refugees fleeing to the US? Considering both are somewhat large islands in the same region (granted cuba is much larger), and they were both colonized by the US, they are essentially a case study for what capitalism and socialism can provide for people in the area

    • Funicio [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I'm aware, but how do I get this through in a way that libs can understand? Like, I know it's an uphill battle, but how is it possible to get these people to completely change their opinion on the biggest boogeyman of the Caribbean?