I don't get it, the filth spewing out of JD's mouth isn't significantly that different from the fascist diarrhea you typically find on any right-wing site/forum
What happened did the fascism become a little too real for them? They can't comfortably worldbuild their abstract evil societies from the safety of their suburban basements, is that what's eating them?
Poor babies the larp is not fun anymore, it's too weeeeird now
I don't get it, the filth spewing out of JD's mouth isn't significantly that different from the fascist diarrhea you typically find on any right-wing site/forum
Keep in mind that fascists do not operate on logic, but vibes. As Marxists, we are used to taking things apart methodically, to criticize ideology, to see behind the plattitudes and expose relations of property and how they translate into political power that dialectically ties into the ruling ideology. Fash don't do that. They want the exact opposite of this scientific understanding, they want to go back to a world ruled by mythology. The entire fascist ideological framework runs on a deliberate rejection of materialism, analysis, a structural and systemic understanding of issues and a self-blinding to facts (climate change, covid, the glaring failure of neoliberal shock treatment etc.). What it delivers instead is gut feeling, the rage at the wokies, the rush of raw power and sanctified violence, the comfort of 1950s postcard kitsch. What he says doesn't matter, he has to say it in a way that pulls their strings. When he doesn't pass the vibes check, it is irrelevant if he had the exact same talking points as them. When he comes across as a cringy weirdo who can't hit the right notes with his audience, that's all that matters.
This is right on target. He's not saying anything Trump hasn't said (or implied), but he's no Trump. This is the same problem ran into. They want someone that projects power and confidence, as well as acts as a surrogate on which they can project their own dark desires about how the world should be.
Trump can be all these things because he has a carefully crafted image of being super wealthy, but also (and more importantly) he's charismatic, funny, and speaks in what basically amount to parables. He very rarely comes right out and says things like "we're going to give bonus votes to people with kids." He might hint at that, or convey the same message through some kind of elliptical digression about some random topic, but he doesn't state things clearly and plainly most of the time. He jokes, teases, and plays the crowd. His rhetoric is open to interpretation, which both lets them project their own ideas onto him but also insist that he didn't really mean whatever his opponent took him to mean. With DeSantis or Vance, all that humor and rhetorical fogginess is gone, and the fascist project is laid bare. That's boring and off-putting--even to many of them who actually agree with the project--because what attracts them isn't a set of policy goals, but rather a particular image of what could be: a vibe.
There are obviously exceptions to this (people who are the Hilary Clintons of the far right and are in it for the technocratic minutiae of implementing fascism), but they're much smaller as a group than the collection of people who want to be caught up in the religious ecstasy of MAGA rallies, and will change the channel when that turns into the nitty gritty of policy. Remember that politics is fundamentally boring to most normal people. In Trump, they're getting something less like politics and more like a sermon, comedy act, and sports rally all rolled into one. So far, they haven't found anyone else able to bridge that gap.
They thought the “state-provided aryan tradwife brides for loyal movement members” stage would come before the “punishing people who are not conforming to the regressive heteronormative lifestyle” stage.
Yeah they never thought fashie would come for them. They haven't figured out "christofash" is just another mask the fash put on to get useful idiots on their side. I wonder if any of these chuds got the noodles to figure that out before their usefulness is over
It’s been most of two decades since I visited 4chan. I remember there used to be a kind of “get fit and fuck bitches” variant of inceldom that ironically enough would blue pill the incels into becoming normal possibly even well adjusted people by covertly awakening them to the reality that if they just put in just a little effort and exit their caves then society stops treating them like vermin.
No now you get this “the height of your ears must be in a perfect 3.251:1 ratio to the height of your nose or else no female will sleep with you” inceldom. It’s a biological determinism where if you weren’t born with the one perfect set of genes, you’re undesirable.
I don't get it, the filth spewing out of JD's mouth isn't significantly that different from the fascist diarrhea you typically find on any right-wing site/forum
What happened did the fascism become a little too real for them? They can't comfortably worldbuild their abstract evil societies from the safety of their suburban basements, is that what's eating them?
Poor babies the larp is not fun anymore, it's too weeeeird now
Keep in mind that fascists do not operate on logic, but vibes. As Marxists, we are used to taking things apart methodically, to criticize ideology, to see behind the plattitudes and expose relations of property and how they translate into political power that dialectically ties into the ruling ideology. Fash don't do that. They want the exact opposite of this scientific understanding, they want to go back to a world ruled by mythology. The entire fascist ideological framework runs on a deliberate rejection of materialism, analysis, a structural and systemic understanding of issues and a self-blinding to facts (climate change, covid, the glaring failure of neoliberal shock treatment etc.). What it delivers instead is gut feeling, the rage at the wokies, the rush of raw power and sanctified violence, the comfort of 1950s postcard kitsch. What he says doesn't matter, he has to say it in a way that pulls their strings. When he doesn't pass the vibes check, it is irrelevant if he had the exact same talking points as them. When he comes across as a cringy weirdo who can't hit the right notes with his audience, that's all that matters.
This is right on target. He's not saying anything Trump hasn't said (or implied), but he's no Trump. This is the same problem
ran into. They want someone that projects power and confidence, as well as acts as a surrogate on which they can project their own dark desires about how the world should be.
Trump can be all these things because he has a carefully crafted image of being super wealthy, but also (and more importantly) he's charismatic, funny, and speaks in what basically amount to parables. He very rarely comes right out and says things like "we're going to give bonus votes to people with kids." He might hint at that, or convey the same message through some kind of elliptical digression about some random topic, but he doesn't state things clearly and plainly most of the time. He jokes, teases, and plays the crowd. His rhetoric is open to interpretation, which both lets them project their own ideas onto him but also insist that he didn't really mean whatever his opponent took him to mean. With DeSantis or Vance, all that humor and rhetorical fogginess is gone, and the fascist project is laid bare. That's boring and off-putting--even to many of them who actually agree with the project--because what attracts them isn't a set of policy goals, but rather a particular image of what could be: a vibe.
There are obviously exceptions to this (people who are the Hilary Clintons of the far right and are in it for the technocratic minutiae of implementing fascism), but they're much smaller as a group than the collection of people who want to be caught up in the religious ecstasy of MAGA rallies, and will change the channel when that turns into the nitty gritty of policy. Remember that politics is fundamentally boring to most normal people. In Trump, they're getting something less like politics and more like a sermon, comedy act, and sports rally all rolled into one. So far, they haven't found anyone else able to bridge that gap.
GOOD post
They thought the “state-provided aryan tradwife brides for loyal movement members” stage would come before the “punishing people who are not conforming to the regressive heteronormative lifestyle” stage.
Yeah they never thought fashie would come for them. They haven't figured out "christofash" is just another mask the fash put on to get useful idiots on their side. I wonder if any of these chuds got the noodles to figure that out before their usefulness is over
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Hmm i should read more on their dynamic. Did they start together and split at some point or rise separately? What should i search of i wanna read more
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It’s been most of two decades since I visited 4chan. I remember there used to be a kind of “get fit and fuck bitches” variant of inceldom that ironically enough would blue pill the incels into becoming normal possibly even well adjusted people by covertly awakening them to the reality that if they just put in just a little effort and exit their caves then society stops treating them like vermin.
Is that still a thing?
No now you get this “the height of your ears must be in a perfect 3.251:1 ratio to the height of your nose or else no female will sleep with you” inceldom. It’s a biological determinism where if you weren’t born with the one perfect set of genes, you’re undesirable.
Contrapoints has a good video where she argues that the incel community is basically a deathcult.
https://youtu.be/fD2briZ6fB0?si=7HSJUgmclokQENxH
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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gus monin!
That's being a normie ie bad
Worse, doing anything that would make women actually like you is beta behavior.
Why don't they gay-marry other 4chan incels and adopt children?
[Please no, at least the last part]
Cause jd isn't charismatic doing it That's really all there is to it