as much as I try to support china i feel icky about stuff like this. can someone offer me a good faith reason why we should root for censorship? I know alot of mainstream media is against china but idk.
im a nondenominational leftist im not anti ML or even anti china for the record
They’re extremely vague with what Coco, a Vtuber, actually got banned for in the past saying that she got banned in the past for “discussing Muslim related contents” and that “she kept using jokes on drugs, which is an extremely dangerous topic in many places in the world.” Both of these reasons are so vague and I only have faint ideas about what they could be referring to here. The Muslim content could be related to Xinjiang but a VTuber talking about that seems unlikely.
Doesn't she react to memes... from Reddit? Something like this was bound to happen. I assume there were Memri TV edits, haram/halal jokes and so on. She also seems to be American with a Western sense of humour which also means jokes about drugs and being high. It's an interesting example of cultural differences, as even in Japan drugs are still quite a taboo. Also holy shit the comments on that post you linked are awful, Western nerds are so ready for a pointless Cold War.
I kind of feel sorry for Hololive Moments. I disagree with their assertion that Coco should be punished further, since this all seems to be stemming out of a misunderstanding of the intentions of her actions in bringing up her Taiwan stats. At the same time, they tried to give their perspective on the situation as a group with connections to the Chinese Hololive community and brought up what I thought was some interesting context to the situation, as well thoughts and concerns that seem valid (or at least are worth discussing), but of course since they took the side of the Chinese audience no one is even trying to listen to them, and everyone's just trying to dogpile them with anti-China hate.
Also, in terms of reasons to be mad at Hololive, I think they should've had the foresight to realize that the cultural difference between Coco, who is from the US (the South specifically), and her Chinese audience would likely present a problem at some point. Obviously Americans have much different attitudes towards things like drugs than people in China, but also in terms of highly contentious issues like Taiwan, most Americans probably don't even know enough about the situation to even realize that they could be causing problems by bringing it up. Whether this means that Hololive should invest more into sensitivity training on issues like this so that their streamers know how to deal with these situations, or that they should just limit certain vtubers from broadcasting in China, idk. Coco's Chinese audience was apparently only 0.7% of her total audience, so it may not even be worth the trouble of sharing her content through official means with China.
also please understand that every country in the 3rd world is at war with the US (declared or otherwise), and propaganda is part of it
i'm brazilian and the overwhelming presence of think tanks (especially on the internet) played some part in fueling an already existing public discontent until all of it culminated in a coup in 2016
neocolonialism isn't just about directly overthrowing governments (though they will go there if needed), it also involves cultural and ideological domination and destabilization, and it works really well (which is why it's a great thing that china tries to keep all western social media at bay)
and it's a constant threat too, you can be 100% sure that every time a group criticizes the CPC on chinese social media, and it gains any significant traction, there will a LOT of astroturfing trying to make that discontent into something destabilizing
censorship is bad, but if i lived under a communist government i would have to grudgingly support it as a necessary evil
Yeah it makes sense i guess. I just dont think banning random streamer/media is a very good look. I can understand wanting to protect against propaganda, and I totally get some of the open calls for coup and stuff but the way its handled feels clumsy and very broad sweeping.
Its not like im pretending they are 1984 or something, ill critically support any left voice out there at this point excluding vaush i guess
as much as I try to support china i feel icky about stuff like this. can someone offer me a good faith reason why we should root for censorship? I know alot of mainstream media is against china but idk.
im a nondenominational leftist im not anti ML or even anti china for the record
can you advocate for overthrowing the US government on twitch?
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Doesn't she react to memes... from Reddit? Something like this was bound to happen. I assume there were Memri TV edits, haram/halal jokes and so on. She also seems to be American with a Western sense of humour which also means jokes about drugs and being high. It's an interesting example of cultural differences, as even in Japan drugs are still quite a taboo. Also holy shit the comments on that post you linked are awful, Western nerds are so ready for a pointless Cold War.
I kind of feel sorry for Hololive Moments. I disagree with their assertion that Coco should be punished further, since this all seems to be stemming out of a misunderstanding of the intentions of her actions in bringing up her Taiwan stats. At the same time, they tried to give their perspective on the situation as a group with connections to the Chinese Hololive community and brought up what I thought was some interesting context to the situation, as well thoughts and concerns that seem valid (or at least are worth discussing), but of course since they took the side of the Chinese audience no one is even trying to listen to them, and everyone's just trying to dogpile them with anti-China hate.
Also, in terms of reasons to be mad at Hololive, I think they should've had the foresight to realize that the cultural difference between Coco, who is from the US (the South specifically), and her Chinese audience would likely present a problem at some point. Obviously Americans have much different attitudes towards things like drugs than people in China, but also in terms of highly contentious issues like Taiwan, most Americans probably don't even know enough about the situation to even realize that they could be causing problems by bringing it up. Whether this means that Hololive should invest more into sensitivity training on issues like this so that their streamers know how to deal with these situations, or that they should just limit certain vtubers from broadcasting in China, idk. Coco's Chinese audience was apparently only 0.7% of her total audience, so it may not even be worth the trouble of sharing her content through official means with China.
Thats a fair way to frame it thanks I think I can see the comparison
also please understand that every country in the 3rd world is at war with the US (declared or otherwise), and propaganda is part of it
i'm brazilian and the overwhelming presence of think tanks (especially on the internet) played some part in fueling an already existing public discontent until all of it culminated in a coup in 2016
neocolonialism isn't just about directly overthrowing governments (though they will go there if needed), it also involves cultural and ideological domination and destabilization, and it works really well (which is why it's a great thing that china tries to keep all western social media at bay)
and it's a constant threat too, you can be 100% sure that every time a group criticizes the CPC on chinese social media, and it gains any significant traction, there will a LOT of astroturfing trying to make that discontent into something destabilizing
censorship is bad, but if i lived under a communist government i would have to grudgingly support it as a necessary evil
Yeah it makes sense i guess. I just dont think banning random streamer/media is a very good look. I can understand wanting to protect against propaganda, and I totally get some of the open calls for coup and stuff but the way its handled feels clumsy and very broad sweeping.
Its not like im pretending they are 1984 or something, ill critically support any left voice out there at this point excluding vaush i guess