So by historical analogy, they want to elect harris, have the chuds start a civil war about it, then have harris stop funding israel's genocide as an exigency of that civil war somehow?

Actually it's kind of an apt comparison. They just don't realize that Lincoln was never really anti-slavery and was only really forced into that position because the Republicans in the Northern states demanded it.

So they’re saying leftists should use the same tactics abolitionists used to pressure the state into ending slavery? Ah yeah it’s time!

Although he already had a draft emancipation proclamation prepared, Lincoln responded with his own open letter to Greeley, which he published in the National Intelligencer in Washington, D.C. Lincoln stated plainly that the goal of his administration's policies, including those related to slavery, was to save the Union. "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that." Lincoln carefully noted that this represented his official position.

Source: https://www.loc.gov/collections/abraham-lincoln-papers/articles-and-essays/abraham-lincoln-and-emancipation/

He was never the liberator libs make him out to be. He only wanted to free the slaves because it was the only way to prevent the Confederacy from seceding.

I would refrain from posting in the community built around a person outed as a child pornography enjoyer, but I guess some people are different

Well I'm convinced not to vote for Lincoln

No exceptions.

Also, every links seems, by necessity, to look like this when I try to read it:

If you haven't read it, "Black Reconstruction in America" by WEB DuBois is an excellent and eye opening book that shows you both how much of a POS Lincoln was really and how Reconstruction could've been far more revolutionary for POC (land redistribution, etc) if it weren't for people like him. (Though Andrew Johnson after him was much worse)

Libs are always like "don't worry about the current genocide or the current war, the best time to put pressure on politicians is after they've won the election and there are zero conditions to get our vote. She needs to be free now to make promises to anyone about anything other than whatever it is we care about."

let them cook if Harris' election was going to cause a civil war i think we'd have to strongly consider it

you know what? i'm convinced. they got me.

this November - 2024 - i will be casting my

for abraham lincoln.

trying to make a clumsy analogy and accidentally venerating John Brown in the process (which is the correct position).

also as far as I know Karl Marx congratulated Lincoln on the 1864 election not the 1860 election. By 1864 Lincoln had become more practically anti-slavery compared to his initial platform in 1860. Lincoln repeatedly proclaimed his position was to contain slavery, not eradicate it, but the horrors of the civil war probably changed his mind once he saw the stakes at hand. His 1864 platform included a proposal to end slavery by constitutional amendment.

what is this even supposed to be saying? That a vote for Kamala Harris is actually voting for a ceasefire in Gaza? Harris is currently responsible for a genocide and her platform is to continue support for genocide. She isn't even proposing to limit, contain, or pressure Israel into stopping. She just had a meeting with Netanyahu and shook his hand like three weeks ago. A better analogy would be an alternate reality 1860 Lincoln as a southern democrat with a lifetime of lending aid to slave states, then ran for president in 1860 and said some wishy washy things about how he'll wag a finger at slave owners. But he's been personally selling whips, chains, and plantations to slave owners for decades. Then he invited the largest slave owners of every southern state to a big banquet and shook all their hands. And then I'm told by the 1860 version of Va*sh that Lincoln is actually an abolitionist, or that we can't worry about slavery right now because of other things going on.

i wish these liberals would just come out and say they do not care about Palestinians. Like you could at least say Lincoln was proposing to limit slavery's expansion, and he foolishly believed this would end slavery. Harris and Biden have no proposals whatsoever about Palestine other than give Israel more weaponry and aid. They're not even pretending, they're fiercely pro-Israel in a way that can't be compared to Lincoln's tepid, flawed incrementalism.

this is a shit analogy, voting for lincoln didnt stop a civil war and millions of people from dying, so

their whole messaging is voting harris to stop fascism

Literally the dumbest people on