Like, hate me by all means, but at least know what it is you hate. Don’t say “antifa are the real fascists”. Don’t call me a “socialist liberal anarchist tankie”. For fucks sake, Marxism isn’t “forcing people to wear a mask”. This shit makes me wanna warp to another galaxy.

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    politicizing children is good if you ask me. yes, good when we do it and bad when the right does, as with most other things, because we have different goals and values

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      Politicizing children is the mission of the state, and of right wing fundamentalists. It should be our mission to inoculate them against this propaganda by telling them the truth about the reality we live in. To people who disagree with us, this is indoctrination.

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      children cannot understand politics. It's just indoctrination that you agree with. That's why I think there needs to be a line between what is political (and therefore indoctrination) and what is just basic human rights (black lives matter; feed the poor; take care of each other; give everyone healthcare) -- those are the things that children can understand.

      They don't know how to run a society they barely know how a family society operates

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        They don’t know how to run a society

        Counterpoint: Adults don't know how to run a society. A child knows to share, knows that everyone ought to have a place to live and food to eat, and given the levers of power would say something childish like "okay, now it is illegal to deny medical care" and that would be that.

        On the other hand, adults give us "realistic" policy that denies all the basic things we teach children are correct. Politics is complex because the ruling class made it complex, in order to mystify the common man.

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          Me: "Children don't know how to do calculus."

          You: "Counterpoint: Adults don't know how to do calculus."

          A child would say something equally childish like "okay no one can wear red today" and that would be that.

          • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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            Children don't know how to do calculus because we don't teach it to them. We do teach them how to operate as ethical beings. It is only in approaching adulthood that we teach the former and also that "pragmatism" is a suitable substitute for the latter.

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          You don’t get the choice to not indoctrinate your children. Society will indoctrinate them either way.

          This is not good imo. It just normalizes indoctrination (i.e., accepting beliefs uncritically). When children should be taught to criticize beliefs.

          You still have a choice whether to indoctrinate your children. And you can also choose to set them up to be less likely to be indoctrinated by society.

          Children do well when you treat mature topics maturely and don’t talk down to them

          Yes agreed 100%. You can believe this and believe that there are complex systems that children are not capable of understanding.

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        They don’t know how to run a society they barely know how a family society operates

        Kids IRL are way better at this than you're giving them credit for