I personally prefer Trickle Down Markism

  • NorthStarBolshevik [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Class reductionism is absolutely a thing. You hear all the time, especially on Reddit, that we shouldn't talk about race and focus on class. Obviously the Democrats use these issues to avoid class but those of us on the left can't ignore these issues either. White supremacy crosses class lines and we can't fight capitalism without fighting other forms of oppression at the same time.

    • OhWell [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      We should focus on class. It says it in the communist manifesto - workers of the world unite. It don't list several divisions and subgroups which the left is divided into.

      Identity politics is why the left never accomplishes anything in western countries. Instead of uniting around the banner of working class, it's all divided into several subgroups that are all pitted against one another as we spend all of our time bickering and infighting with each other. ID-POL is anti-Marxist and that is the main reason liberal academics pushed it in universities back in the 1980s. The left should absolutely be talking to working class people, instead of ignoring them and wanting to focus on liberals. Terms like "white working class" shouldn't even exist and just divide up people even further, which proves the point that ID-POL just creates more sub groups and infighting.

      There was a reason during the height of the riots in June, that the media focused on terms like "white agitators" and "white anarchists", cause the ruling class absolutely fears a united people rallying against them, so they divide and conquer. If everyone of the working class united and wasn't divided against one another, the bourgeoise would be in trouble and they know it.

    • LeninsRage [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      That makes them wrong, not "class reductionist", and should be rebutted appropriately (that race and class are inextricably intertwined in a society that is literally built on the foundation of white supremacy), not beaten over the head with a rhetorical bludgeon invented by grifters and wreckers.

      Because that is all "class reductionist" is. A rhetorical bludgeon, that neatly avoids an actual discussion of how race intersects with class in American society.

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      It's exactly like the word "tankie", which is another mere rhetorical bludgeon, designed to shut down conversation, which can mean literally anything ranging from a right-wing neoliberal to a Stalinist depending on the speaker thus becoming entirely meaningless, and is effortlessly appropriated by liberals trying to attack the actual left

      • OhWell [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It’s exactly like the word “tankie”, which is another mere rhetorical bludgeon, designed to shut down conversation, which can mean literally anything ranging from a right-wing neoliberal to a Stalinist depending on the speaker thus becoming entirely meaningless, and is effortlessly appropriated by liberals trying to attack the actual left

        The term 'tankie' from what I remember, started out on Facebook around 2015 and was used to by reactionary leftists to just label Marxist-Leninists (or Stalinists as they labeled them, though anyone that has read Stalin and Lenin knows there is no 'Stalinist', he represented M-L ideology) as "tankies" to completely discredit them. It grew and grew as the years went by.

        • LeninsRage [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          AFAIK "tankie" arose at some point during the Cold War within the left to disparage support for the Khrushchevite/Brezhnevite revisionists after the Hungary and Czechoslovakia interventions, but who knows it might be retroactive historical revisionism in action. But I'm pretty sure the term predates 2015 at least.

          But yeah while I used the term "Stalinist", another rhetorical bludgeon that isn't an actual ideology, I meant it in the most literal sense as "partisan supporters of Stalin", which is the only appropriate use of the term unless you're directly quoting another source.