Still, misleading title, he's not proposing a war. Could it potentially lead to war? Yeah but it's very, very unlikely Mexico would actually declare war on America.
What the fuck do you think putting your military into another country uninvited is? What the fuck are you doing quibbling over "potentially" a war or not? What you're essentially saying here is that you're ok with it as long if Mexico cowers and doesn't fight back.
This is a disgusting level of nationalism. You're already making excuses for america.
I never said I wasn't against this, I'm merely saying the title should've been something like, "Ron DeSantis proposes uninvited drone strikes on Mexican cartel"
How dare you shove my words back into my mouth! I wasn't endorsing it! I was merely using Bush era talking points to obscure the reality of those actions and diminish their impact!
The United States is not an arbiter of which Mexicans are to be extrajudicially executed by drone strikes. You're acting like a coward who's only too happy the Mexicans are too weak to strike back.
Yes, you know that the US can do almost anything it wants and that it won't trigger a war with Mexico. It can sanction thousands or millions to death by starvation and lack of medical supplies. It can bomb people. It can seize and occupy territory if it really wants to. Not because the US wouldn't be waging war then, but because the Mexicans and the rest of latin america are too weak to fight back. And in knowing this you can then claim that, actually, 'this is misleading 4/5 pinocchios Ron DeSantis only wants the right to do a little gunboat diplomacy with capital punishment characteristics and that's not really a war'.
I'm sure that if China drone bombed someone in New York the Americans would be super chill about it.
The US hasn't declared a war since WW2, they've still gone to war. Neither the US nor Libya declared war on each other but it still counts as a war when the US bombs the absolute shit out of a country.
Well yeah, you OBJECTIVELY can't call what happened in Libya a "war". It was bad and unnecessary, but by definition, not a war... You did not have US troops fighting Libyan troops.
You're fighting with the air. I very clearly said Libya wasn't ok.
You're right, massacres aren't battles and we shouldn't call them that. Of course that doesn't make it any better but why call it a battle if it's not?
Ok I'm gonna be honest I'm probably wrong, I was thinking semantically but googling that was a surprise for me. Just didn't want the hexbears to be right.
Its cool that you admitted you just didn't want anyone from hexbear to be right. That takes a lot of insight. You should consider opening your mind now to the possibility that you could be wrong about much more. You reflexive distaste for hexbear probably has more to do with your own cognitive dissonance than whether our opinions are wrong. Most of the people (bots) on hexbear were (are) libs too, but at some point opened their minds and began to approach history, political-economy, and current events with a more critical eye.
Of course, I forgot when you call it something other than war then it's not a war! That's why we have the Korean Police Action, the Vietnam Police Action, the Police Actions in Panama and Grenada, Desert Police Action 1 & 2 in Iraq, and the Global Police Action on Terror! None of those were wars, right?
So you'd be okay with the Chinese dropping a bomb on a house in your neighbourhood because some right-wing nut was gonna blow up a government building?
At this point you really need to define what a "war" is because all you're doing is dancing around without having to actually stake any claim to an argument. Instead of getting indignant at people drawing conclusions from what you DO say, make the substance of your opinion known so it can be examined and criticized openly.
Explain what the difference is between having your military attack another country and a "congress didn't say it's a war but it's really a war".
I'm sure the regime who drone struck weddings, hospitals, and loves to double-tap to catch civilians coming to help victims in the aftermath can be trusted to only kill "terrorists" (don't ask what they define as a terrorist)
Maybe you should worry more about your meth-addled midwest shithole than try to turn socal into a warzone? Jesus christ I wish we could drone strike whatever meth lab you're posting from.
Holy shit. How did people ever get it in their heads that drone strikes are not military incursions? Is it because there’s no humans physically entering the territory? Would you think the same thing if we were lobbing artillery shells over the border?
And how would doing either of those things without the cooperation of the Mexican government be anything other than an act of war?
I mean, I get that there is a difference between sending an armored column to occupy Juarez and a drone strike, and it’s not clear from the title which one we’re talking about, but you can’t really dispute that either of those things would be an act of war under any meaningful definition.
It’s an insane thing to say, regardless, because if you know anything about US Mexico relations you know he’s not talking about some kind of cooperative anti-cartel police action. He is in fact talking about an act of war. And a particularly stupid one at that.
We're a radically pro-trans community. A purge of transphobes near the beginning was a formative moment for our community. We're radically welcoming of trans folks, so a lot of trans folks post here.
Also trans folks are disproportionately leftist (for a good reason, liberation for trans folks cannot come through capitalism), the idea that "tankies" would be majority "he/him neckbeards" is silly, if not actually outright transphobic.
trans folks are disproportionately leftist for a good reason
I said "tankies," not leftists. I'm sure most trans people are democratic socialists, anarchists, or non-authoritarian communists. I have a hard time believing a lot of you guys aren't disinformation bots.
The way "tankie" is used today it just means communist who has actually read communist theory and understands the nature of imperialism and applies it correctly to the current geopolitical situation in the world.
Solipsism and paranoia win the day in your brain yet again. People can't possibly earnestly have these opinions, because I'm not used to them, must be bots. Doesnt matter that they have three years of post history where they talk about innocuous stuff that has nothing to do with Russia and china. Thats just part of the act. And the fact that you think the pronoun tags make it MORE likely that we're bots is even more laughable.
Its really fucking depressing seeing how effective the "bot" propaganda has been.
At this point I don't think you're a bot but it's pretty obvious many of you are. The fact any and every comment gets 10+ upvotes in 15 minutes is unnatural for a site like this. There should be some comments with under 5 upvotes but I NEVER see hexbear comments get under that.
I have a hard time believing any community is that gender diverse.
The fact any and every comment gets 10+ upvotes in 15 minutes is unnatural for a site like this. There should be some comments with under 5 upvotes but I NEVER see hexbear comments get under that.
What can I say, we're a united front when it comes to arguing with liberals. Honestly, we didnt really see upvote totals as high as these before federation, which I think is a combination of the fact that we're, like I said, united in the face of these issues, and also the fact that some people in other instances agree with us. We care about each other and communist is a collectivist ideology. There's also a lot of us. And trust me, if you believe I"M not a bot then I can tell you that in the three years before federation noone here stuck me as not being a genuine human being. Other than the bit accounts and like the like, two actual bots we made for specific purposes.
I have a hard time believing any community is that gender diverse.
Damn, thats weird because every community I'm a part of is gender diverse. Even not explictly leftist ones, like I'm in a discord server for a streamer called Barry and like half the server is trans or nonbinary. I'm pretty used to interacting with trans and enby people in my life at this point. Have a fair few of them in my life offline as well. This seems like a you problem.
What a beautiful brain you have you think anyone has been running a website full of bots for three years in the hope that one day Reddit might implode and they can be used to trick some lost redditors.
You're talking about one of the oldest lemmy instances, the most active established instance, and the instance with highest per capita activity, at a time when activity has suddenly become higher than ever because suddenly there are a bunch of redditors saying awful shit all over our feeds and we can go dunk on them without needing to bother with accounts on different sites for the first time in over three years.
You're also vastly overestimating what bots require and do: all we have to do is look at the largest and most sophisticated botnets - the CIA/State Department astroturfing botnets - to see how even the laziest and crudest copy/pasta spam is all it takes to completely dominate and drown out opposition. Literally no one needs to be sneaky, just yell the exact same verbatim press release quote over and over from ten thousand firstnamelastname12345 accounts with stock photo profile pics and you control the conversation completely and no one cares if you get caught out, like the CIA/State Department bots constantly do.
You're also claiming that the instance was built up with chatbots more sophisticated than anything there is today - and all of those still-not-coherent most-sophisticated AIs are extremely expensive to run - starting at a time when the most advanced language generating AI was GPT-2, which was only a step or so above old markov chain babbling. You can literally go and look at the ancient post history yourself.
I would believe you, but it's very possible you're a bot and everything you just said is an AI trained to say this in order to make people reduce their doubts about your user authenticity.
Or you could go and look at the three years of post history the community has, which notably does not revolve around some herculean effort to gaslight a tiny handful of people from sites that did not exist for 90% of hexbear's existence and that no one had any realistic expectation would ever exist.
The entire theory rests on the idea that [insert bad country] had LLMs that were five years ahead of the curve and the supercomputers to run them, and this was devoted to generating massive amounts of content on the speculation that maybe someday it would provide legitimization in a fringe internet community, instead of using that massive technological and material advantage to spam as hard as possible with infinite free burner accounts on mainstream social media sites.
The entire theory rests on the idea that [insert bad country] had LLMs that were five years ahead of the curve and the supercomputers to run them, and this was devoted to generating massive amounts of content on the speculation that maybe someday it would provide legitimization in a fringe internet community, instead of using that massive technological and material advantage to spam as hard as possible with infinite free burner accounts on mainstream social media sites.
LOL try to be a little more realistic of a bot, no human talks like.
If you really thought they person you were talking too was an AI, you wouldn't be trying these snarky jabs. What, you think you're going to hurt a computers feelings?
Through various accounts I gave been on hexbear since the beginning. I have watched the community grow from a handful of displaced Redditors, to the vibrant community it is today. I can guarantee none of them are bots.
You can't possibly comprehend that views different to the mainstream have such large support so you've convinced yourself that everyone you disagree with is a bot.
I wish I could do that.
When I disagree with people, I have to consider their views.
You just post "bot lol." And get on with your day.
You could just, I don't know, browse my posting history and see the very human things I've posted.
I've got two years of stuff on this account.
Some shitposts, some sincere.
You on the other hand have been on this site, what, nine hours. During that time you have mostly posted extremely similar comments about how everyone else must be foreign bots.
So you're just gonna double down on the "actually my shadowy enemies are both impossibly more technologically advanced than the imperial core, but also too stupid to use that advantage and instead waste massive amounts of effort specifically in preparation to gaslight me, the main character, due to their impossible prescience that one day I, the main character, would be using a fringe social media website in the middle of the night, prescience that is literally only used for that one purpose and that purpose alone because it so import to trick me, the main character," theory then?
Congratulations, you've successfully gaslit yourself into defining away everyone who disagrees with you as a "bot" and now find yourself haunted on all sides by your shadowy enemies.
And for everyone else: what do you think the odds are some of this unfortunate poster's brainworm infestation was seeded by literal CIA/State Department astroturfing bots? I give it about a 50/50 that that was an important infection vector, and a good 90% chance that they've nodded along while looking at CIA copypasta bot and uncritically believed whatever racist thing it was telling them to.
Remember that time it was leaked that Mi5 was running a bot farm out of a disused mill?
The British state had (has?) a literal propaganda mill.
For months leading up to the general election, you'd see the same comments in their tens, sometimes hundreds, popping up to defend Boris Johnson. And the same same copy-paste comments attacking Jeremy Corbyn.
I wish I could go through life like this as well, damn. Never ever have to entertain the thought that maybe someone else's wacky opinion is sincere and has a solid foundation to it, but nah man, it's just a bot. Seems a lot less stressful.
More than half of our mods and admins are trans or enby and most of the rest are some other flavour of queer, about a quarter to a third or so of the user base is trans or enby iirc based on the poll we did on the demographics of the user base a year or so ago, I'm trans, the person you're speaking to is an enby I believe, about half of the people dunking on you are trans/enby and almost all are queer because hexbear is radically anti discrimination and routinely cyberbullies bigots
We're literally the largest explicitly queer instance on Lemmy except blahaj.zone
quite literally no. I'm a trans person and find hexbear to be one of the most radically accepting of any online space I've ever encountered next to purely trans ones. in some cases moreso because we ban truscum.
I've met many liberal politicians, activists, and organizers in my life. I've been to many polling places dominated by liberals. This is absolutely not true and a weird thing to say - tons of women and Black people are present. Liberalism is a white supremacy upholding system, but it's also the only option many marginalized people believe they have because of how closed off political horizons are in the US. For careerists, it gives an opportunity to be a black face in a high place.
No, that is true, even if it is less directly disqualifying of the specific political tendencies, and the closing of practical horizons of American politics meant that there is a vast demobilization of political action. So, mostly because voting and engagement with mainstream politics is highly correlated with several axes of privilege, white people vote more than non-white, wealthy vote more than poor, etc. So, most mainstream politics and all electoral positions over-represents white middle-to-upper class. There is less of a gender gap on the face of it for parties than one would think because there are a lot of white and women from conservative areas that vote Republican. But there is also a boomerang effect of people that are privileged enough to not suffer ill effects of failure of sabotaged progressive movements such as the Black Panthers and Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition are more likely to vote to the left of the Democratic Party. Because you could get some minor pork-barrel spending if you support the establishment over progressive candidate that will just be crushed by the machine or fizzle out due to internal fractures and more minor sabotage.
So, yes they are. Maybe that is 90% of electoral politics, but it is true that Soc-Dems are disproportionately white men. Though that is more of mainstream politics over-representing privilege on many axes. And also if it is divorced from daily struggle and immediate issues (as mainstream politics works to alienate us from), then politics becomes horse-race stuff for nerds.
The excuse being used is cartels. But it is ultimately an invasion to force mexico into privatisation of various resources and inflict american will on them.
Yeah right, and when Trump talked about the "bad hombres" coming over the border and bringing crime with them he was totally just talking about the bad Mexicans. This totally isn't just another American candidate for the presidency stoking racial hatred to garner votes from people who believe these things.
I hate DeSantis as much as the next guy but cmon, this title is misleading. He said he would "drone strikes cartels," not that he wanted to go to war.
Launching military ordnance into another country is the definition of war.
If it's to kill terrorists that are enemies of both the US and Mexican government, not really.
Mexico isn't fucking inviting the US to do it. They want the US to fuck off.
Still, misleading title, he's not proposing a war. Could it potentially lead to war? Yeah but it's very, very unlikely Mexico would actually declare war on America.
What the fuck do you think putting your military into another country uninvited is? What the fuck are you doing quibbling over "potentially" a war or not? What you're essentially saying here is that you're ok with it as long if Mexico cowers and doesn't fight back.
This is a disgusting level of nationalism. You're already making excuses for america.
Typical hexbears to shove words down throats.
I never said I wasn't against this, I'm merely saying the title should've been something like, "Ron DeSantis proposes uninvited drone strikes on Mexican cartel"
"The American Supreme Court gives individual states the right to choose in reversal of Roe vs Wade"
Obviously different and you know it.
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How dare you shove my words back into my mouth! I wasn't endorsing it! I was merely using Bush era talking points to obscure the reality of those actions and diminish their impact!
Why should a title help obscure the reality of calling to commit acts of war against our neighbor
The United States is not an arbiter of which Mexicans are to be extrajudicially executed by drone strikes. You're acting like a coward who's only too happy the Mexicans are too weak to strike back.
Buddy all I'm saying is the title is misleading. I'm obviously against the US bombing Mexican cartels, I just don't think it's going to start a war.
If you think the US would be disciplined about only attacking cartels after seeing the War on Terror, I have a bridge to sell you
oooooo what kind
does it come in purple
Yes, you know that the US can do almost anything it wants and that it won't trigger a war with Mexico. It can sanction thousands or millions to death by starvation and lack of medical supplies. It can bomb people. It can seize and occupy territory if it really wants to. Not because the US wouldn't be waging war then, but because the Mexicans and the rest of latin america are too weak to fight back. And in knowing this you can then claim that, actually, 'this is misleading 4/5 pinocchios Ron DeSantis only wants the right to do a little gunboat diplomacy with capital punishment characteristics and that's not really a war'.
I'm sure that if China drone bombed someone in New York the Americans would be super chill about it.
dude you said it would be no loss to do so, since they're cartels
you ain't fooling no one
when you order your military to blow up people in another country that doesn't want you to do that, I'd say its pretty close to a war.
Honestly you're a liberal so I never expected you to be smart but this is next level idiocy
no, BEYOND next level, stratosphere shit
The US hasn't declared a war since WW2, they've still gone to war. Neither the US nor Libya declared war on each other but it still counts as a war when the US bombs the absolute shit out of a country.
"War" implies the US and Mexico mutually fighting. Libya was military intervention not war.
A Special Military Operation, if you will.
checkmate! it can’t be called a war if we simply lob misiles at a country and arm every lunatic we find, completely destroying it in the process
Well yeah, you OBJECTIVELY can't call what happened in Libya a "war". It was bad and unnecessary, but by definition, not a war... You did not have US troops fighting Libyan troops.
So because the US troops were using weapons the Libyan troops couldn't effectively fight back against, it doesn't count as a war?
"It wasn't a battle, it was a just a massacre, so it's OK"
You're fighting with the air. I very clearly said Libya wasn't ok.
You're right, massacres aren't battles and we shouldn't call them that. Of course that doesn't make it any better but why call it a battle if it's not?
So if Libyan forces had managed to shoot down a western bomber, you would consider it a war?
Only when the US and Libya officially declare war on each other is it war.
The US hasn't declared war on anyone since WWII is it your opinion that it had not been at war since then?
Ok I'm gonna be honest I'm probably wrong, I was thinking semantically but googling that was a surprise for me. Just didn't want the hexbears to be right.
Try to be open to new perspectives
Its cool that you admitted you just didn't want anyone from hexbear to be right. That takes a lot of insight. You should consider opening your mind now to the possibility that you could be wrong about much more. You reflexive distaste for hexbear probably has more to do with your own cognitive dissonance than whether our opinions are wrong. Most of the people (bots) on hexbear were (are) libs too, but at some point opened their minds and began to approach history, political-economy, and current events with a more critical eye.
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Are us pilots not us troops?
Of course, I forgot when you call it something other than war then it's not a war! That's why we have the Korean Police Action, the Vietnam Police Action, the Police Actions in Panama and Grenada, Desert Police Action 1 & 2 in Iraq, and the Global Police Action on Terror! None of those were wars, right?
Oh my god dude. Come on.
And the russian invasion in ukraine is just a military operation right? Or does that not apply now?
Where have I heard this one before?
So you'd be okay with the Chinese dropping a bomb on a house in your neighbourhood because some right-wing nut was gonna blow up a government building?
He's a terrorist, so it's all good right?
I'm not justifying it. I'm only saying the title is a bit misleading/sensationalist.
It's really not. It's a definite act of war.
At this point you really need to define what a "war" is because all you're doing is dancing around without having to actually stake any claim to an argument. Instead of getting indignant at people drawing conclusions from what you DO say, make the substance of your opinion known so it can be examined and criticized openly.
Explain what the difference is between having your military attack another country and a "congress didn't say it's a war but it's really a war".
"a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state"
Key word, "between." You can't have a war if no one declares war.
Are you just fucking with us now? Is this a bit?
I've seen at least one other person gently remind you of the last 70 years of US history. Are you just being a troll at this point?
I worded my question explicitly so as to make you think about this. Can you please try to?
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Mexico wouldn't be fighting back in this case (which is obviously bad, I'm just speaking semantically).
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An invasion sure, but not technically a war.
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I’m curious if you extend that to the Russia-Ukraine conflict too…
I'm sure the regime who drone struck weddings, hospitals, and loves to double-tap to catch civilians coming to help victims in the aftermath can be trusted to only kill "terrorists" (don't ask what they define as a terrorist)
because mexico definitely consents to the US bombing their country
Targeted drone strikes to kill terrorists have done wonders every other time we've done it, let's run it back!
Imagine still buying this
What if i say the us army are terrorists? Then sending ordinance into your country should be fine no. Since i said they are terrorists.
I never said anything would be "fine" but tbh you're probably right, US military are terrorists.
But it wouldnt be a war.
Maybe you should worry more about your meth-addled midwest shithole than try to turn socal into a warzone? Jesus christ I wish we could drone strike whatever meth lab you're posting from.
Holy shit. How did people ever get it in their heads that drone strikes are not military incursions? Is it because there’s no humans physically entering the territory? Would you think the same thing if we were lobbing artillery shells over the border?
And how would doing either of those things without the cooperation of the Mexican government be anything other than an act of war?
I mean, I get that there is a difference between sending an armored column to occupy Juarez and a drone strike, and it’s not clear from the title which one we’re talking about, but you can’t really dispute that either of those things would be an act of war under any meaningful definition.
It’s an insane thing to say, regardless, because if you know anything about US Mexico relations you know he’s not talking about some kind of cooperative anti-cartel police action. He is in fact talking about an act of war. And a particularly stupid one at that.
"i hate X as much as the next guy but cmon"
literal reddit bot
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being a bot is when you have pronouns and the more pronouns you have the more Russian you are
I have "any". So do i have the most pronouns or the least?
Yes
Am superbot
he/him er/ihm он/его él
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We're a radically pro-trans community. A purge of transphobes near the beginning was a formative moment for our community. We're radically welcoming of trans folks, so a lot of trans folks post here.
Also trans folks are disproportionately leftist (for a good reason, liberation for trans folks cannot come through capitalism), the idea that "tankies" would be majority "he/him neckbeards" is silly, if not actually outright transphobic.
I said "tankies," not leftists. I'm sure most trans people are democratic socialists, anarchists, or non-authoritarian communists. I have a hard time believing a lot of you guys aren't disinformation bots.
The way "tankie" is used today it just means communist who has actually read communist theory and understands the nature of imperialism and applies it correctly to the current geopolitical situation in the world.
Solipsism and paranoia win the day in your brain yet again. People can't possibly earnestly have these opinions, because I'm not used to them, must be bots. Doesnt matter that they have three years of post history where they talk about innocuous stuff that has nothing to do with Russia and china. Thats just part of the act. And the fact that you think the pronoun tags make it MORE likely that we're bots is even more laughable.
Its really fucking depressing seeing how effective the "bot" propaganda has been.
At this point I don't think you're a bot but it's pretty obvious many of you are. The fact any and every comment gets 10+ upvotes in 15 minutes is unnatural for a site like this. There should be some comments with under 5 upvotes but I NEVER see hexbear comments get under that.
I have a hard time believing any community is that gender diverse.
What can I say, we're a united front when it comes to arguing with liberals. Honestly, we didnt really see upvote totals as high as these before federation, which I think is a combination of the fact that we're, like I said, united in the face of these issues, and also the fact that some people in other instances agree with us. We care about each other and communist is a collectivist ideology. There's also a lot of us. And trust me, if you believe I"M not a bot then I can tell you that in the three years before federation noone here stuck me as not being a genuine human being. Other than the bit accounts and like the like, two actual bots we made for specific purposes.
Damn, thats weird because every community I'm a part of is gender diverse. Even not explictly leftist ones, like I'm in a discord server for a streamer called Barry and like half the server is trans or nonbinary. I'm pretty used to interacting with trans and enby people in my life at this point. Have a fair few of them in my life offline as well. This seems like a you problem.
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Test running the bots + making it seem more realistic is definitely feasible.
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They're on every corner of the internet buddy, fake accounts are dirt cheap to run especially in Russia.
Or, maybe, just maybe - and I know it's hard for some one like you to believe - there are just people out there who disagree with you.
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What a beautiful brain you have you think anyone has been running a website full of bots for three years in the hope that one day Reddit might implode and they can be used to trick some lost redditors.
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We love our comrades don't we folks?
You're talking about one of the oldest lemmy instances, the most active established instance, and the instance with highest per capita activity, at a time when activity has suddenly become higher than ever because suddenly there are a bunch of redditors saying awful shit all over our feeds and we can go dunk on them without needing to bother with accounts on different sites for the first time in over three years.
You're also vastly overestimating what bots require and do: all we have to do is look at the largest and most sophisticated botnets - the CIA/State Department astroturfing botnets - to see how even the laziest and crudest copy/pasta spam is all it takes to completely dominate and drown out opposition. Literally no one needs to be sneaky, just yell the exact same verbatim press release quote over and over from ten thousand firstnamelastname12345 accounts with stock photo profile pics and you control the conversation completely and no one cares if you get caught out, like the CIA/State Department bots constantly do.
You're also claiming that the instance was built up with chatbots more sophisticated than anything there is today - and all of those still-not-coherent most-sophisticated AIs are extremely expensive to run - starting at a time when the most advanced language generating AI was GPT-2, which was only a step or so above old markov chain babbling. You can literally go and look at the ancient post history yourself.
I would believe you, but it's very possible you're a bot and everything you just said is an AI trained to say this in order to make people reduce their doubts about your user authenticity.
everyone on the internet is a bot except for you
everyone on the internet is a bot except for you
Or you could go and look at the three years of post history the community has, which notably does not revolve around some herculean effort to gaslight a tiny handful of people from sites that did not exist for 90% of hexbear's existence and that no one had any realistic expectation would ever exist.
The entire theory rests on the idea that [insert bad country] had LLMs that were five years ahead of the curve and the supercomputers to run them, and this was devoted to generating massive amounts of content on the speculation that maybe someday it would provide legitimization in a fringe internet community, instead of using that massive technological and material advantage to spam as hard as possible with infinite free burner accounts on mainstream social media sites.
LOL try to be a little more realistic of a bot, no human talks like.
If you really thought they person you were talking too was an AI, you wouldn't be trying these snarky jabs. What, you think you're going to hurt a computers feelings?
Humans will read my comments too.
Yeah, and see that you clearly don't actually think you're arguing with an AI.
I think it's probably about 80% bots 30% humans on hexbear.
Real scientific methodology you have there.
I mean 70 it was an obvious mistake asshole.
I didn't even notice the typo.
80% skill issue, 30% mistake
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such cutting and incisive political analysis
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Whatever, maybe I'm wrong and it's only 40% bots, there' still obviously a lot of them. You're like a pack of wolves on anyone you consider "liberal."
Through various accounts I gave been on hexbear since the beginning. I have watched the community grow from a handful of displaced Redditors, to the vibrant community it is today. I can guarantee none of them are bots.
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Didn't an update break the bots on hexbear?
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This sounds like it could be written by ChatGPT LMFAOO
This is all you have isn't it?
You can't possibly comprehend that views different to the mainstream have such large support so you've convinced yourself that everyone you disagree with is a bot.
I wish I could do that.
When I disagree with people, I have to consider their views.
You just post "bot lol." And get on with your day.
Prove you're real.
You could just, I don't know, browse my posting history and see the very human things I've posted.
I've got two years of stuff on this account.
Some shitposts, some sincere.
You on the other hand have been on this site, what, nine hours. During that time you have mostly posted extremely similar comments about how everyone else must be foreign bots.
Prove your own humanity.
I owe you nothing tankie.
I'm an anarchist you fucking spanner.
Keeping tell yourself that.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
You do really have nothing.
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a bot or a tankie.
I, the world's most special boy, can never be wrong. It must be an evil plot by the socialists."
This is what you sound like and it's embarrassing.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
Wow, you can tell your numbers are reliable by the way you go "whatever, cut them by 30 percent."
I never said I knew it all, it's just an estimation based on common sense.
Yeah, I can see it was a real educated guess
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Why do liberals always bring out the homophobia when they get angry?
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Being bisexual doesn't give you a license to be homophobic.
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Least homophobic liberal
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Anymore blatant homophobia you want to get out of your system?
I am a bisexual. Calling a QUEER person homophobic makes 0 sense.
Why not?
You go around calling black people racist?
If they're being racist, why wouldn't I?
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I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
In case you’re open-minded enough to be less bigoted:
https://www.scarymommy.com/stop-using-these-homophobic-transphobic-phrases
there are plenty of self-hating queer people. knock it off with the homophobia.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
You said the same thing verbatim twice. OBVIOUSLY a bot account, everyone.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
So you're just gonna double down on the "actually my shadowy enemies are both impossibly more technologically advanced than the imperial core, but also too stupid to use that advantage and instead waste massive amounts of effort specifically in preparation to gaslight me, the main character, due to their impossible prescience that one day I, the main character, would be using a fringe social media website in the middle of the night, prescience that is literally only used for that one purpose and that purpose alone because it so import to trick me, the main character," theory then?
Buddy the Russians have tens of millions of bots on every site they're not just trying to get me.
The chatbots I'm seeing from you guys aren't even all that realistic.
Congratulations, you've successfully gaslit yourself into defining away everyone who disagrees with you as a "bot" and now find yourself haunted on all sides by your shadowy enemies.
And for everyone else: what do you think the odds are some of this unfortunate poster's brainworm infestation was seeded by literal CIA/State Department astroturfing bots? I give it about a 50/50 that that was an important infection vector, and a good 90% chance that they've nodded along while looking at CIA copypasta bot and uncritically believed whatever racist thing it was telling them to.
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Remember that time it was leaked that Mi5 was running a bot farm out of a disused mill?
The British state had (has?) a literal propaganda mill.
For months leading up to the general election, you'd see the same comments in their tens, sometimes hundreds, popping up to defend Boris Johnson. And the same same copy-paste comments attacking Jeremy Corbyn.
Are these Russians in the room with us right now?
Да. Здравствуйте!
You caught us, we are all
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I wish I could go through life like this as well, damn. Never ever have to entertain the thought that maybe someone else's wacky opinion is sincere and has a solid foundation to it, but nah man, it's just a bot. Seems a lot less stressful.
your worldview is 1) dehumanizing and 2) utterly non-falsifiable. treat people like people.
More than half of our mods and admins are trans or enby and most of the rest are some other flavour of queer, about a quarter to a third or so of the user base is trans or enby iirc based on the poll we did on the demographics of the user base a year or so ago, I'm trans, the person you're speaking to is an enby I believe, about half of the people dunking on you are trans/enby and almost all are queer because hexbear is radically anti discrimination and routinely cyberbullies bigots
We're literally the largest explicitly queer instance on Lemmy except blahaj.zone
quite literally no. I'm a trans person and find hexbear to be one of the most radically accepting of any online space I've ever encountered next to purely trans ones. in some cases moreso because we ban truscum.
You're having a hard time because you're realizing you're closer to being a bot than we are.
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Liberal and Soc-Dem spaces are mostly white male neckbeards, so extrapolating further, leftists must be 200% he/him neckbeards.
I've met many liberal politicians, activists, and organizers in my life. I've been to many polling places dominated by liberals. This is absolutely not true and a weird thing to say - tons of women and Black people are present. Liberalism is a white supremacy upholding system, but it's also the only option many marginalized people believe they have because of how closed off political horizons are in the US. For careerists, it gives an opportunity to be a black face in a high place.
Soc Dem spaces, yeah, ime, this is correct.
No they aren't tf. Maybe on reddit but that's 90% of reddit.
No, that is true, even if it is less directly disqualifying of the specific political tendencies, and the closing of practical horizons of American politics meant that there is a vast demobilization of political action. So, mostly because voting and engagement with mainstream politics is highly correlated with several axes of privilege, white people vote more than non-white, wealthy vote more than poor, etc. So, most mainstream politics and all electoral positions over-represents white middle-to-upper class. There is less of a gender gap on the face of it for parties than one would think because there are a lot of white and women from conservative areas that vote Republican. But there is also a boomerang effect of people that are privileged enough to not suffer ill effects of failure of sabotaged progressive movements such as the Black Panthers and Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition are more likely to vote to the left of the Democratic Party. Because you could get some minor pork-barrel spending if you support the establishment over progressive candidate that will just be crushed by the machine or fizzle out due to internal fractures and more minor sabotage.
So, yes they are. Maybe that is 90% of electoral politics, but it is true that Soc-Dems are disproportionately white men. Though that is more of mainstream politics over-representing privilege on many axes. And also if it is divorced from daily struggle and immediate issues (as mainstream politics works to alienate us from), then politics becomes horse-race stuff for nerds.
Blah blah blah I don't see any proof so I'm not reading this.
the fact that you're from the midwest already told us you can barely read. no child left behind ass.
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What are your opinions on pronoun tags?
Lol proving my point, this is like, the exact thing a bot would reply.
Lmao, seriously though, what your your opinions on them?
Support them.
Good, then why are you trying to use that as proof we are bots? Like have you ever even looked at hexbear.net?
You're a fucking idiot lol
Nice transphobia you got there. How are cis people that fucking ignorant of nonbinary people existing?
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dude imagine if russia went and drone striked your capital, or any city, you would consider this war yes?
Why the fuck does America get a pass?
Xi to provide Cuba with an extensive drone fleet so that they can extensively strike amerikkkan police stations
Groups in the US have been working on this for quite some time. The Mexican president has condemned invasion threats from these american groups and called the american media sphere trying to build up to this fascistic, comparing american media to goebbels.
The excuse being used is cartels. But it is ultimately an invasion to force mexico into privatisation of various resources and inflict american will on them.
once again, i have to commend you on the quality of this bit
I want to believe
Yeah right, and when Trump talked about the "bad hombres" coming over the border and bringing crime with them he was totally just talking about the bad Mexicans. This totally isn't just another American candidate for the presidency stoking racial hatred to garner votes from people who believe these things.
Totally agree, these are peace bombs, not war bombs.