• WhyEssEff [she/her]
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    2 months ago

    okay, sephiroth is fascism and shinra is capitalism, only strengthens my analysis an-tifa

  • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    It's a game about doing cool (eco-terrorist) crimes with your friends and then going on holiday to an amusement park right?

  • SevenSkalls [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    I haven't read the article yet but I like the headline. Games should be political. Well, not all have to be, but story based games probably should be. To me, it usually indicates passion and effort from the creator.

    D&D/ttrpg personality Matt Coville once said in a stream something like, "no movies are about anything anymore. It's why everything is about family."

    It was an offhand statement, but it kind of stuck with me since. Especially since I only have the time, money, and inclination for the big movies nowadays where this issue is more prevalent, I see it often. It makes sense. Family is relatable, and not risky. Personal, but not uncomfortable. It's not "political", like everything else in life.

    • ReadFanon [any, any]
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      2 months ago

      If we want to take a bit of an armchair analyst media critique angle, movies can often be viewed through the dual lenses of what society fears and what it desires. (If you want to overextend this a little bit more then "what it desires" could go so far as "what it desires to believe about itself".)

      Horror and, to a lesser extent, thriller movies are really fertile ground for understanding societal and individual fears.

      Action and drama movies tend to be the best hunting grounds for what are the desires of society during that time period.

      Sometimes it all comes together in one neat little package, like the TV show 24 where a lone prodigy protects freedom and democracy from the evil terrorists who seek to cause havoc and injury to innocent civilians and he does this by going beyond the bounds of what is permissible by morals and laws but he is permitted this exception because what he is doing is ultimately for the good of society, even if he has to resort to doing bad things to protect society. If that isn't just the perfect snapshot of the US zeitgeist in the post-9/11 world during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan then idk what could do a better job.

      If we pull at this thread a little bit more, we have the backdrop being the advent of the nuclear family in the post-war era to replace closely connected extended families and communities that have existed in one place for at least a century if not far longer than that, then came the ushering in of the neoliberal era where communities were crushed and the nuclear family was saddled with so much pressure that most of them crumbled, or otherwise they fell apart but still lived together in the ruins of the nuclear family, (sidebar to mention that housing projects were specifically designed to break up families, with Pruitt and Igoe requiring that black dads were not allowed to stay with their families because the government saw them as a "harmful" and "dangerous" element that would introduce violence and addiction and criminality to that particular project).

      Now suddenly movies are all about family instead of being about something deeper. Idk I don't really watch movies but if we take that as true then just like how Disneyland sells a simulacrum of the experience of a rich, vibrant, and interconnected community to punters then Hollywood is selling product based on our unrequited desire for community which has been culturally and politically hemmed into the model of the nuclear family because we are so far disconnected from the loss of true community that we can only really reach back in history to the 50s-80s where there was at least some degree of long-lasting human connection.

      It's a classic case of capitalism destroying something in order to commodify it and then to sell it back to us.

      • ashinadash [she/her]
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        2 months ago

        sidebar to mention that housing projects were specifically designed to break up families, with Pruitt and Igoe requiring that black dads were not allowed to stay with their families because the government saw them as a "harmful" and "dangerous" element that would introduce violence and addiction and criminality to that particular project

        Every day I learn something new and more fucked up. Death to america.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 months ago

    Literally the very first thing they do after discovering the president has been stabbed is try to stab the next president before he can take over the organisation.

    • D61 [any]
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      2 months ago

      I mean, after First Stabbing, why not Second Stabbing?

      second-breakfast

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Besides the fact that Shinra still kept being Shinra after that, Sephiroth is very obviously a manifestation of the planet's wrarh due to Shinra draining the lifestream. I mean, if you google the name you'd see where the devs got the inspiration for the character:

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    • Cammy [she/her]
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      2 months ago

      I'm gonna disagree on Sephiroth being a product of the planet. He's a product of the arrogance of man.

      He was conceived when Shinra and Hojo discovered Jenova and put her cells in a human fetus to make a god.

      By all measures, he has the powers of a god, but he's ultimately an ego project put forward by an electric company who wanted to drain the essence of heaven for personal profit.

      Defeating Sephiroth is telling him he's not prefect or a god and that he too will return to the planet when he dies.

      He's a supersoldier made by a capitalist empire and he believes he's better than humanity because he was born powerful. He's like the worst kind of nepo baby who thinks the world should not go on without him.

      When he finds out about his heritage, and that he wasn't naturally just born better, he snaps and doubles down on his insistence that he's a god. He goes on a killing spree.

      His whole plan is to become undeniably powerful so he doesn't have to think of the material conditions that created him.

      Edit - with Jenova being from space, I don't see Sephiroth as being as much a product of earth's wrath. His attempt to destroy Gaia to gain power feels like the ultimate goal of Shinra. He's a a product of Shinra.

      Also, I think it would be interesting to see an evil Cetra, but I don't want that to happen in the already complicated VII universe.

      • ReadFanon [any, any]
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        2 months ago

        And Jenova (totally not an analogue of the Tetragrammaton and in no way resembling a theonym) is the calamity from the skies who sought to destroy Gaia.

        The Sephirot = Yehova's will

        Sephiroth seeks the absolute destruction of Gaia as he is essentially the instrument of Jenova's will, being a product of Gast's research on Jenova and Hojo's human experimentation using Jenova cells.

        Jenova is basically a cosmic horror take on the question: What if God is evil?

    • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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      2 months ago

      Sephiroth is the result of the foolishness of Shinra in thinking they are above nature. They created Sephiroth using the cells of a creature they couldn't possibly control, thinking they could use it like a tool. But of course the moment everything goes off balance they lose control and their ineptitude shows, and suddenly these powerful executives can do nothing while the ones to finally bring balance back end up being ecoterrorists from the slums.

      Sephiroth and Cloud are also mirrors of each other. Both were duped into being tools for capitalist imperialism, when they find out one of them says "I am going to carry on with my own brand of imperialism and conquering" and the other goes (after a lot of character development and a mental breakdown) "I am going to break the cycle."

      • Cammy [she/her]
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        2 months ago

        I loved that about Cloud. He had his mind shattered and he had a similar horrifying realization and did not become like Sephiroth.

        Which is why I hate they won't let Cloud have a permanent victory. Sephiroth is too popular for the wrong reasons.

    • D61 [any]
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      2 months ago

      Hey! You can't shut down the bum fights! It employs literally dozens of people!

    • shastaxc@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      You mean after they drained the land of its life force, killing all the plants, then murdering a bunch of villagers who were upset that they were told lies by Shinra? Yeah, who knew that place would be worse off after they left.

  • ashinadash [she/her]
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    2 months ago

    Finding it kind of funny that this quote is plastered with an image of FF7R, when Sakaguchi was not at all involved with it and only partly involved with the original.

    Hironobu Sakaguchi is a chad though, Lost Odyssey rocks. Play Neo Fantasian when it comes out.

  • Ericthescruffy [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    LMAO: Sephiroth is a product OF Shinra. He's basically Frankenstein's monster.