For those pushing Greens instead, please learn something from the Australian Greens. They started as an environmental coalition that explicitly included socialists and anarchists. They were less liberal than the American Green Party. Over the years they ate up space, acting as a barrier against socialism by diverting people who would otherwise be radicals. Then when leftists in the party started to grow, the liberals moved to purge them.
All in all, the Greens have been a detriment to the left. Just a way of funneling would be leftists back in to liberalism with a thin veneer of environmentalism. This is true of other Green parties too.
The recent case of UK Labour's entrenched liberals sabotaging the party to stop Corbyn has lessons for you here too.
What those pushing the Greens are suggesting is to give more power to an institution that, despite running a socialist this election, is controlled by liberals and gambling that they'll be able to overcome them eventually in an internal struggle. With no real plan on how to oust those liberals and despite many examples of how this can backfire disastrously. All for a party that has fuck all power of it's own anyway, so the reward is extremely low even if you succeed.
You can add the German and the Irish greens there too. Basically every single Green Party that has got more than 5% of the vote has shifted to the centre or centre right.
I agree that Greens always slide right over time even when they start off radical but as I wrote in another comment: couldn’t the argument be made that voting for Greens is akin to the John Oliver->Breadtube->Anarchism/Marxism pipeline? Like Green gets the 5% and more exposure, is fucked out of the federal funding and all the fervent Green voting libs can more easily get radicalised into supporting and doing activism for PSL? Just spitballing here, don't know maybe it’s a dumb train of thought…
couldn’t the argument be made that voting for Greens is akin to the John Oliver->Breadtube->Anarchism/Marxism pipeline?
No. As I have already tried to explain, the result has been exactly the opposite in more favourable situations. The Greens give the illusion that you're breaking out of the politics of the ruling class and thus block the pipeline.
Like Green gets the 5% and more exposure, is fucked out of the federal funding
Why do you think you're going to get fucked out of federal funding? The amount is a pittance in the grand scheme of things and it's going to a party that does not challenge the status quo.
For those pushing Greens instead, please learn something from the Australian Greens. They started as an environmental coalition that explicitly included socialists and anarchists. They were less liberal than the American Green Party. Over the years they ate up space, acting as a barrier against socialism by diverting people who would otherwise be radicals. Then when leftists in the party started to grow, the liberals moved to purge them.
All in all, the Greens have been a detriment to the left. Just a way of funneling would be leftists back in to liberalism with a thin veneer of environmentalism. This is true of other Green parties too.
The recent case of UK Labour's entrenched liberals sabotaging the party to stop Corbyn has lessons for you here too.
What those pushing the Greens are suggesting is to give more power to an institution that, despite running a socialist this election, is controlled by liberals and gambling that they'll be able to overcome them eventually in an internal struggle. With no real plan on how to oust those liberals and despite many examples of how this can backfire disastrously. All for a party that has fuck all power of it's own anyway, so the reward is extremely low even if you succeed.
You can add the German and the Irish greens there too. Basically every single Green Party that has got more than 5% of the vote has shifted to the centre or centre right.
I agree that Greens always slide right over time even when they start off radical but as I wrote in another comment: couldn’t the argument be made that voting for Greens is akin to the John Oliver->Breadtube->Anarchism/Marxism pipeline? Like Green gets the 5% and more exposure, is fucked out of the federal funding and all the fervent Green voting libs can more easily get radicalised into supporting and doing activism for PSL? Just spitballing here, don't know maybe it’s a dumb train of thought…
No. As I have already tried to explain, the result has been exactly the opposite in more favourable situations. The Greens give the illusion that you're breaking out of the politics of the ruling class and thus block the pipeline.
Why do you think you're going to get fucked out of federal funding? The amount is a pittance in the grand scheme of things and it's going to a party that does not challenge the status quo.