it still has to obey the laws of capital and wherever the god of capital demands blood sacrifice, you must pay for it in order to stay in the game
Seek truth from facts.
China uses the profit motive and production for exchange value where doing so is beneficial. You can think of it like running the economy on autopilot. That means that, yes, the society has not abolished the wage form. But when it needs to, the needs of the people consistently trump the needs of capital.
The best example is the full societal mobilisation against coronavirus, on a scale that no other nation could do.
You also can’t underestimate the significance of all major banks being state owned, with funding allocated to state owned entities on a social, not profitable, basis.
I think the idea is to develop through capitalism in a controlled way. I don't think anyone says that china isn't susceptible to the contradictions of capitalism.
Also, isn't the orthodox ML position that socialism develops out of capitalism?
If anything, that would make Mao the one that wasn't an orthodox ML by trying to skip capitalism with his hair brained great leap forward.
The Chinese dont have the luxury of hoping for a socialist revolution in the west. The west is probably further from than from that now than they were in the early 20th century.
The development of the productive forces of society under the careful watch of a Marxist vanguard party certainly seems pretty ML to me.
Maybe it's all a conspiracy and they are secretly trying to develop along the lines of the United States to stagnate development for the benefit of bourgeoise elites. I don't have a crystal ball though so I don't know what their secret agenda is.
So what's your point? It's impossible to develop socialism from capitalism? Should they go for a lord/serf or master slave dialectic? Do those dialectics miss? Mao tried going straight to socialism and it was a massive disaster. Should they try that again and maybe kill a few more million people?
Seems to me what you are suggesting is that we live in a rigidly deterministic universe where intentionally trying to direct the development of capitalism is impossible.
How many threads are you going to essentially copy paste this in? I though it looked familiar and then you started talking about exploiting traditional family structure in some weird Orientalist way and yep here we are again.
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Seek truth from facts.
China uses the profit motive and production for exchange value where doing so is beneficial. You can think of it like running the economy on autopilot. That means that, yes, the society has not abolished the wage form. But when it needs to, the needs of the people consistently trump the needs of capital.
The best example is the full societal mobilisation against coronavirus, on a scale that no other nation could do.
You also can’t underestimate the significance of all major banks being state owned, with funding allocated to state owned entities on a social, not profitable, basis.
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I think the idea is to develop through capitalism in a controlled way. I don't think anyone says that china isn't susceptible to the contradictions of capitalism.
Also, isn't the orthodox ML position that socialism develops out of capitalism?
If anything, that would make Mao the one that wasn't an orthodox ML by trying to skip capitalism with his hair brained great leap forward.
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So Lenin thought a peasant society is capable of developing socialism? News to me.
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The Chinese dont have the luxury of hoping for a socialist revolution in the west. The west is probably further from than from that now than they were in the early 20th century.
The development of the productive forces of society under the careful watch of a Marxist vanguard party certainly seems pretty ML to me.
Maybe it's all a conspiracy and they are secretly trying to develop along the lines of the United States to stagnate development for the benefit of bourgeoise elites. I don't have a crystal ball though so I don't know what their secret agenda is.
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So what's your point? It's impossible to develop socialism from capitalism? Should they go for a lord/serf or master slave dialectic? Do those dialectics miss? Mao tried going straight to socialism and it was a massive disaster. Should they try that again and maybe kill a few more million people?
Seems to me what you are suggesting is that we live in a rigidly deterministic universe where intentionally trying to direct the development of capitalism is impossible.
How many threads are you going to essentially copy paste this in? I though it looked familiar and then you started talking about exploiting traditional family structure in some weird Orientalist way and yep here we are again.
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