it isn't "science denial", the universe is fucking huge. that we are an interesting place to visit is irrelevant if no one knows we exist in the first place
There are methods to determine where Earth-like planets exist. And if a civilization crashing towards extinction can pull that off, I presume a spare-faring species may do that better.
Given that every other explanation for UFOs falls flat, that presumption is more likely to be correct.
those methods depend on being able to observe the star that the planet is orbiting around, if they are too far away to even detect our sun (which is the vast majority of the universe), there is no way at all that they would know the earth exists, let alone all the things on it that they would like to study/poke/laugh at or whatever
Then the question becomes "what is the probability that space-faring life has detected the Sun, or has a method to predict the presence of a Sun-like star through more observable phenomenon?"
These are priors we have no way to prove. But we have been unable to produce any sort of explanation for the UFO phenomenon in 70 years.
If you deny the possibility of extra-terrestrial life, then you are extremely confident that we fundamentally do not understand what is happening on Earth and in our atmosphere. That's fine. I just find the discovery of Earth by extra-terrestrial life possible. And if it was discovered, it would be a high priority for observation.
I'd recommend reading UFOs and Government by Michael Swords for a comprehensive history of explaining the UFO phenomenon. It avoids the extra-terrestrial question, and focusing solely on failed attempts to explain the phenomenon.
i mean, i doubt it's aliens, but i'm not denying the possibility.
what always puts me off with ufo researchers is how much they tend to devolve into bad fanfiction, and occasionally weird white-supremacy shit. Like the classification of alien species stuff for example, with the "Tall Whites" and the "Majestic Twelve"
it isn't "science denial", the universe is fucking huge. that we are an interesting place to visit is irrelevant if no one knows we exist in the first place
There are methods to determine where Earth-like planets exist. And if a civilization crashing towards extinction can pull that off, I presume a spare-faring species may do that better.
Given that every other explanation for UFOs falls flat, that presumption is more likely to be correct.
those methods depend on being able to observe the star that the planet is orbiting around, if they are too far away to even detect our sun (which is the vast majority of the universe), there is no way at all that they would know the earth exists, let alone all the things on it that they would like to study/poke/laugh at or whatever
Then the question becomes "what is the probability that space-faring life has detected the Sun, or has a method to predict the presence of a Sun-like star through more observable phenomenon?"
These are priors we have no way to prove. But we have been unable to produce any sort of explanation for the UFO phenomenon in 70 years.
If you deny the possibility of extra-terrestrial life, then you are extremely confident that we fundamentally do not understand what is happening on Earth and in our atmosphere. That's fine. I just find the discovery of Earth by extra-terrestrial life possible. And if it was discovered, it would be a high priority for observation.
I'd recommend reading UFOs and Government by Michael Swords for a comprehensive history of explaining the UFO phenomenon. It avoids the extra-terrestrial question, and focusing solely on failed attempts to explain the phenomenon.
i don't
I meant to say "if you deny the possibility of extra-terrestrial life discovering Earth."
i mean, i doubt it's aliens, but i'm not denying the possibility.
what always puts me off with ufo researchers is how much they tend to devolve into bad fanfiction, and occasionally weird white-supremacy shit. Like the classification of alien species stuff for example, with the "Tall Whites" and the "Majestic Twelve"
Yeah, esotericists love Ufology. That hits the same as "the Nazis were socialist" to me.