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  • Blueskysocialism [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    "Settlers" is a FBI op. Literally a perfect manifestation of COINTELPRO. Divide the working class, play up existing divisions, and encourage sectarianism.

    • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Settlers makes a lot of great observations and analysis but it definitely tends to spawn settlers-brain idiocy like saying all white settlers should be rounded up and forcibly settled (lol) throughout the global south. It's also kind of paralyzing in that it makes it seem as though your movement cannot include white people unless they're fine with constant self-flagellation, which is never going to be a significant number of people. If you live in a place that is majority white and you believe that 90% of whites are irredeemable, how can you ever expect to achieve revolution? Solidarity seems impossible if you take everything in Settlers to heart. It's very much a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      • Blueskysocialism [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        That's why I think it is, or might as well be, an op. Because following it to its conclusions is a recipe for splitting and not getting anything done in a majority white area.

        Also Settlers brain is very real and very funny. You can tell who has had their mind blown by it recently by their sudden change in language choices.

    • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah. I definitely agree with the White Proletariat is fucked in many ways, but man that book from the way people describe it seems very American Maoist. I should read it to confirm it myself.

    • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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      4 years ago

      Counterpoint: Settlers was awesome for making me pissed off at white people. I just ignored all the Third Worldist conclusions Sakai wanted me to come to.

      • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Ironically if the book was written more dispassionately it probably would've been taken more seriously. Instead it's basically like "if you're white shut the fuck up and maybe you can be the janitor of the revolution but only if you're wholly submissive to those of us who really deserve it" lol. Moralizing only serves bourgeois interests.

        • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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          4 years ago

          Moralism is ineffective when you're already post-morality. :stirner-shocked: Our local movement had a bunch of the self-flagellating types and all the more radical people dutifully fucked off to do something more useful.

          • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Yeah like I'm Proletarian. I have white privilege but no class or material privilege. Self-flagellation is probably kinky to PMC mayos who already have everything material that they need and want, but that ain't me lol. Show me solidarity and I'll fight with you, but don't expect me to degrade myself. Being super sorry about people that look like you isn't ever going to help marginalized people. Tbf though it seems like very few white people can find a middle ground between racism and self-flagellation.