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  • feeeq [he/him]
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    You made me create an account to respond to this. I'm very tired of online MLs holding a monopoly on the claim of "all historical successful revolutions are ML revolutions." Not only is this claim just untrue, the one that follows it is laughably sad, because ML is also responsible for 100% of degenerated worker states. The October Revolution wasnt ML so dont even pretend you get that one either. Sandals is correct with this take. ML hasnt done anything in the 21st century, its frankly a bastardization of Marx. All tendencies are just following loosely in what some guy said, but the material conditions they were in are vastly different than the ones we are in. Online MLs remind me of preachy evangelicals, always saying "comrade" or preaching down on you while they have the audacity to support Stalin as a great theorist. "the law of value and commodity production continues into communism." What utter shit. Rant over.

    • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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      October Revolution was Marxist and Leninist and the formulation that Marxism-Leninism was based off of, so yes it was ML.

      If you are so tired of MLs having the sole mantle of successful revolutionaries then try winning a revolution sometime.

      Of course all “degenerated worker states” are ML, as MLs are the only ones to create ANY worker states

      Imagine making an account to post Trotskyite dribble lol

      • feeeq [he/him]
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        Im not a trot but go off. Lenin wasnt a "Leninist", he was a Marxist. God MLs are allergic to reading. Being proud of a degenerated worker state is peak cope and LARP. You didnt do anything in the various peasant revolutions around the world. Stop larping on the internet for 2 god damn minutes

          • feeeq [he/him]
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            "i can only categorize opinions i dislike as the opinions of various tendencies i disagree with." Im not here for a flame war. Im not a trot, i dont agree with perm rev, im not an ML, im not anything.

            • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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              “I’m not anything”

              The famous “not anything” revolution of 1965, ah of course.

              Why should I be lectured on socialism by a “not anything” who disregards history and believes themselves above it?

              • Sandals [none/use name]
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                How will you win a revolution with no allies? Congratulations, you've successfully purity-tested us. Now you're alone.

                • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
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                  Also I am not alone. I have a billion communists throughout the world on my side. I am participating in the real communist movement. It’s you who is alone

                  • feeeq [he/him]
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                    I am a Marxist. Its just i dont like labeling myself. Clearly youre more concerned with appearances than anything else. I hope you get around to reading Marx some time :)