“I’m a gun owner; Tim Walz is a gun owner,” Harris said.

“I did not know that,” Winfrey replied.

“If somebody breaks into my house, they’re getting shot,” Harris added. “Probably should not have said that. But my staff will deal with that later.”

The article has a video clip. I love the bullshit "probably..." It's a 100% certainty she spoke with her staff and workshopped the phrasing and presentation of gun stuff. Plus I bet she practiced her lines. No American politician is going to wing it when talking about guns.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    10 hours ago

    I'm not out of my mind for believing that this would have been unthinkable in the Hillary or even Biden era, right?

    Like this is just blatant blood-guzzling NRA chud pandering that would be completely relegated to Clinton body count and Dark Brandon type shit.

    • ComradeWizardmon [she/her]
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      5 hours ago

      Unthinkable? I don't think so.

      I think the main thing that's becoming obvious in the past 8 years is that the Obama years were an illusion. He was politically progressive, sure, but what he was progressive towards was an increasingly brutal fascist empire, just like every one else.

      People who think the racists left the Democratic party with Reagan have been demonstrably proven wrong over, and over, and over since Clinton, they just never quite quit telling the lie.

      The presumption the Democrats are even mildly less racist because of their love of meritocracy, solely when rich citizens of the US are concerned, even with all those qualifiers it's wrong. The Democrats are who they were when I was a kid here in Texoma - the people who wouldn't vote for a Republican because they're the party of the rich, the north, and cause of the Civil War (y'all should meet my papa sometime, it'd change how you see this country).

      I don't really have a coherent way to distill the country as I see it compared to the constant pretense Democrats are different than the republicans in any fashion apart from the exact manner in which they're vile condescending villains, but the sooner the left stops talking about progressives like that's something anyone should be, the better. CAuse they sure as hell ain't what you think they are, I don't care if they kinda-sorta-maybe-implied they might be okay with an anti-racist policy sometime far in the future. Besides which, Liberals are conservatives now, in the literal sense. They are the reactionary party. Fascism isn't a reaction to Capital in crisis - it's a revolutionary expansionist project. What people mean by fascism when they call it reactionary is just when fascism starts killing white people. Fascism is real long, long before then.

      What scares me lately is, since Biden, the Blue MAGA insurgency in the Democrats are going ham as well. I don't really think America needs a conservative party, but we're about to have two revolutionary parties, both worse than the present. Hell, maybe we already do and it's just hard to tell how much it's changed while the changes are still happening.

    • HamManBad [he/him]
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      10 hours ago

      I did not expect Kamala to run to the right of Biden. I had zero expectations and I'm still let down

      • Hestia [comrade/them, she/her]
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        9 hours ago

        I'm not surprised. Biden's the sacrificial lamb who will take the majority of the PR hit for the genocide, but people who are actually on the left have wisened up to their tricks. They'll go for votes from people who aren't educated enough to know better. And those people are right wing.

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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      10 hours ago

      This would have been unthinkable in the Hillary or even Biden era, right?

      I think so too. But Biden's like ancient history now. Libs must love Kamala's gun comment and think it's a "pragmatic" move by her to appeal to republicans and republicans in swing states in particular.

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        10 hours ago

        The identity politics angle must also be a part of it, I think.

        Actual segregationist Joe Biden couldn't really get away with betting on this kind of rhetoric, but Kamala being both non-white and a woman gets into the gray zone where she has plausible deniability of not just directly appealing to the vivid fantasies of legal murder demographic.

        • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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          10 hours ago

          Biden couldn't really get away with betting on this kind of rhetoric... Kamala being both non-white and a woman gets into the gray zone

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          Edit 1

          I agree. But imagine an alternate universe where Biden's VP was a white guy. After Biden dropped out even that VP could use Death Wish-style messaging and get away with it. The lib Overton window keeps on lurching more and more to the right and the libs are fine with it.

          Edit 2

          My comment turned into total mess so I started all over again.