Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I'm hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a "bro" kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The "guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace" was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that's happening, where the whole "male" culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I'm getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

  • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    Most conversations I have with people my age start with "I saw this Tiktok...". Very dire. Don't care if I sound like a cranky boomer.

    • SkingradGuard [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 months ago

      Eh, this one is a funny point tbh, do you get the same reaction when someone says "I saw this YouTube video" or "I saw this on the news" etc?

      • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        Depends on the context really, but yeah, sometimes. I don't mind any of it if other things get discussed, but it gets tiresome after a while.

      • AndJusticeForAll [none/use name]
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        3 months ago

        No one has ever been "i saw _____ on youtube" and it ever been anything morally good, very occasionally my IRL friend will reference a YT video essay or something, but otherwise it's usually something frivolous (not necessarily bad) or some heinous culture war shit.

        • SkingradGuard [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 months ago

          No one has ever been "i saw _____ on youtube"

          I guess, but it's usually "this video is cool" or something like that. But it's usually a YouTube link

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        do you get the same reaction when someone says "I saw this YouTube video"

        How could you not?

      • The_sleepy_woke_dialectic [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        Aren't tiktoks necessarily like <60 seconds? That's intentionally engineered to be more mindless than a YouTube at least has the potential to be. On the other hand, I hear on the news that the tiktoks are radicalizing the youths so I gotta give critical support.

        On the OTHER other hand, it's an APP owl-pissed

        I also appreciate that tiktok seems to intentionally lower the barrier to entry by (so I've heard) showing new accounts' videos to people, where youtube would bury them

            • novibe@lemmy.ml
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              3 months ago

              I only started using TikTok cause a cool commie I follow on YouTube posts exclusive (long-form) content on TikTok 🤷‍♂️

              And tbh I found many other cool commies on my FYP. Like the algorithm is much better than YouTube. YouTube will still from time to time suggest sigma grindset videos to me, or straight up fascist shit even. That has never happened on TikTok.