Struggle session engage. Post your pathetic arguments so that I and the other China Good Posters can dismantle them and you can learn.

Key points:

  • China is a democracy. It is arguably the most functional and responsive democracy in a major country today. Its citizens consider it more democratic than the citizens of almost any other country do their own.

  • China is on a clear path to socialism and economic justice. No nation in history has ever reduced poverty in anything like the way China is doing it.

  • The vast majority of people in the PRC support the CPC. This is not due to being brainwashed. Americans are brainwashed and still hate their government.

  • Almost everything you hear about China in the West sits on a spectrum between malicious misrepresentation to outright fabrication with no basis in reality.

  • China's ascension to the premiere global power is an extremely good thing for world peace and the global socialist movement. While China does not actively support other socialisms (sadly it's not as good as the USSR in this regard) it does not do imperialism. China will allow socialisms around the world to flourish simply by not actively crushing them like the US and Europe.

    • Nakoichi [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah loosening the grip of the US on international trade is the only way to end the economic siege on smaller burgeoning socialist states.

    • Rev [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      In our current world - most definitely, but in a hypothetic future scenario where America and the NATO world order decline and China becomes the only superpower similar to the US today, what mechanisms are in place to prevent China from throwing its weight around in the same violent way America does now?

        • Rev [none/use name]
          4·
          4 years ago

          I agree with the first part and concede that China hasn't shown the same predisposition to violence as America in its formative years. But the argument could be made that this was so (at least in part) because of the geopolitical constraints that prevented China from having even a modicum of success via crude outright violence. As to the second part power usually does corrupt, the definition of corruption being its slowly creeping nature and insidiousness. It's very naive to rely on the goodwill of individuals at the top, which is why I am honestly asking about the mechanisms in place that will prevent a country and a ruling circle from taking the easy self-serving path once all constraints prompting self-restraint have been lifted.

            • Rev [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              I wasn't arguing that China arouse out of the same impetus as the American colonies. I don't think we even need to doubt the revolutionary socialist origins of the modern Chinese state. And yes this is to a large extent the reason it has generally not acted in exploitative ways in its foreign policy. It has acted self-servingly as a nation state though (as opposed to an internationalist revolutionary base): in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Cambodia, even as far as Angola. So starting from the pivot to the West (even if we take as an article of faith that it did so as a particularly clever kind of 4D chess to subvert western hegemony for the socialist cause) China displayed behaviour in line with a classical nation state as opposed to a revolutionary state (that the USSR was at least pretending to do up until its dismantling, even if the pretence rang more and more hollow with passing years). The Dengist reforms certainly didn't add to its socialist character but arguably took it away, giving more power to an emerging national bourgeoisie.

              Will China become more violent in the future in a way detrimental to socialist and labour uprising around the world? Maybe, maybe not. Obviously the present is more immediate, which is why I unequivocally stand by supporting China over the West in pretty much any current conflict. As to the inner checks and balances, the possibility of wrestling the power the bourgeoisie do undisputedly have in China from them and the end to the "party princeling" lines of succession still prominent (even if not exclusive), the stride towards completely scientific planning of the economy - I will gladly enlighten myself if you share some relevant reading materials pertaining to the inner workings of the party and maybe in my turn share in your optimism towards China's path.

        • Rev [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Is this addressed to me? I don't think I've downbeared anyone in this thread.