Struggle session engage. Post your pathetic arguments so that I and the other China Good Posters can dismantle them and you can learn.

Key points:

  • China is a democracy. It is arguably the most functional and responsive democracy in a major country today. Its citizens consider it more democratic than the citizens of almost any other country do their own.

  • China is on a clear path to socialism and economic justice. No nation in history has ever reduced poverty in anything like the way China is doing it.

  • The vast majority of people in the PRC support the CPC. This is not due to being brainwashed. Americans are brainwashed and still hate their government.

  • Almost everything you hear about China in the West sits on a spectrum between malicious misrepresentation to outright fabrication with no basis in reality.

  • China's ascension to the premiere global power is an extremely good thing for world peace and the global socialist movement. While China does not actively support other socialisms (sadly it's not as good as the USSR in this regard) it does not do imperialism. China will allow socialisms around the world to flourish simply by not actively crushing them like the US and Europe.

  • Rev [none/use name]
    1·
    4 years ago

    How is China on a clear path towards socialism though? What are the mechanisms that will ensure it gets more socialist with time? How can you predict that, for example, in 2025 China will be more socialist than China in 2020?

    • yeahhhhhhhhhboiii [none/use name]
      3·
      4 years ago

      This goes into what Xi JinPing is trying to achieve, and dissects his speeches. You can tell that he really is about this life, seriously give it a read.

      More than anything, I always want to know why people think that China will suddenly turn around and say, nah, I'm going to stop being socialist now? The success that China has from being socialist is always most noticeable when comparing China with India., why would China give up on the strategy that works best for herself?

      Furthermore, why would China play this game of being socialist for so long if they weren't truly socialist? Why not just go full mask-off?

      • SeizeTheseMeans [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Very interesting read. Interesting to see Xi straight up admit the cultural revolution was a mistake.

        • yeahhhhhhhhhboiii [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          I might be called a dengist/revisionist, but I genuinely think it was good for china to reform and open up.

          The cultural revolution had its role, but it was also full of mistakes. I mean, how can you possibly expect to succeed as a dogmatically communist country when you just escaped semi-colonialism, several wars, and have barely developed?

          So yeah, I'm glad that the top leadership can see that China has made mistakes, acknowledges them, and also is willing to learn from these mistakes.

          Which is why going through this massive struggle session is infuriating, most liberals think that those who defend China are saying China made no mistakes.

          Clearly, this is not the case.

          China made mistakes. People paid for this in lives and blood.

          Most of the "CCP shills" are trying to dismantle the misconceptions most people have of China. There is never any useful conversation about China when everyone is repeating the same, debunked propaganda.

    • Perplexiglass [they/them]
      3·
      4 years ago

      Quite simple: the Chinese aristocracy cede power, money, and influence to the proles, just like every other time in history it's happened.

      • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
        3·
        4 years ago

        The wealthy in China are not the ones calling the shots politically. It's not up to them.

      • Rev [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Are they held hostage though? The USSR also compulsory educated their entire citizenry on a Marxist-Leninist analysis of exploitation and violent class war. In 1991 practically no one was willing to take up arms against the dismantling of the first proletarian state. The vast majority were either gleefully cheering on the destruction or sitting on the sidelines, still convinced that the big wise men in Moscow know what they're doing and will take care of the populace.

    • blobjim [he/him]
      8·
      4 years ago

      Because the communist party says so and they aren't controlled by capitalists so why would they say something they don't want to do? You think chapos are the target audience for Chinese press releases or speeches?

      • Rev [none/use name]
        1·
        4 years ago

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(language)

        • blobjim [he/him]
          13·
          4 years ago

          Okay, but where's your actual counterargument? China says they are building socialism, they have a number of socialist-style systems, including the way their electoral system works, and they want to create a "modern socialist system". Why are you a better judge of what is socialist than someone in the communist party?

          • Rev [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Which is why it is infinitely more productive in a thread especially addressed to newcomers to actually talk about the "socialist-style systems" and their inner workings instead of just saying shut up and believe.