From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it's clear that there's no winning over these people. Everything is "Kremlin propaganda" to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the "hateful rhetoric" and "Kremlin talking points" BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future...
There's a reason so many people believed the Iraq war lies. Propaganda works. Then and now.
It works, but how is baffling. Anyone paying a mild amount of attention knew we had been fucking over Iraq since the 1st gulf War. Basically the first Bush admin said if we topple this country it will be nightmare. and they stopped. (getting a ton of ppl they told to rebel killed in the process. we even loaned Iraq military hardware to mop up.)
The end of history is actually about how the lumpen have no memory of any political events that are no longer being blasted 24/7 on the news. History may as well not exist for 90% of Americans because history is in books.
Mix that with straight jingoism and you can blow up anything. Fucking sad.