• Asafum@feddit.nl
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    1 month ago

    I really don't want to be defending this guy, but reading what he said is kinda confusing.

    "Iran, or, Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental, getting its hostages back, fundamental, and ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there."

    Emphasis mine. His "but" seems to be in contradiction to all his direct "fundamental, period. Fundamental, period." I hate the short time these stupid debates give people because he really needs to fucking explain what "steady leadership" is supposed to mean there. Are we going to try to stop Isreals attempts to expand? I didn't really read that as directly connected to his positive affirmation of what he said was fundamental before it.

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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      1 month ago

      He's a mumble mouth, but his intention and word choice is absolutely clear, support for Israeli fascism will continue no matter what

      The But is a signal that the obscene platitudes are said and done, and the true policy is about to be laid out.....and "the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there" is the true policy of the United States and the fascists of the Democratic Party, everything before it was nonsense

    • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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      1 month ago

      I think he jumbled two different pre-prepared lines and accidentally turned a standard American lightly-fashy answer about supporting Israel and opposing Iran into an insane genocidal word salad.

      • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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        1 month ago

        Your a liberal who apparently thinks they don't already live in a class dictatorship. I'm not sure you have the right to be smug. You've got some studying to do.

          • hypercracker
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            1 month ago

            Hey go look up wealth inequality in the USSR and get back to us on that

              • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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                1 month ago

                You didn't look up the stats, look them up please. Compare wealth inequality in the USSR to wealth inequality in the US: the opposite is true, in the US the statement "everyone was poor except for the owners of the country" is twice as accurate as it ever could be about the USSR.

          • Kuori [she/her]
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            1 month ago

            alright kiddo, time to fuck off. you've shit up the place enough, go back to your fash-lover instance

      • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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        1 month ago

        Don't want someone calling out your genocidal bullshit, maybe try not saying genocidal bullshit you absolute collaborator

        Show

      • Rojo27 [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        Doesn't change the fact that Walz is still giving full throated support to genocide.

          • Rojo27 [he/him]
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            1 month ago

            You really believe that's what he meant? You really think that the Biden/Harris administration is trying to broker peace?

            They've been supplying the weapons that Israel is using to commit war crimes with and continually defend Israel's actions by saying that it has a right to defend itself.

            If you really believe that then you're a lost cause.

            Oh and I'm not the one cheerleading genocide, but sure, our views here align with Fox News.

              • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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                1 month ago

                I can't see what you wrote before the mods took you out but I don't care, we've heard all your bullshit before and we're as sick of it as we are of you

                I have no interest in debate or changing your mind, I genuinely wish you would get cancer or slowly burn to death

          • hypercracker
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            1 month ago

            Fox News loves Israel you dullard. Expand your political vocab a bit. The expansion of israel is what the most frothing settlers want and the reason they are invading Lebanon & Palestine.

              • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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                1 month ago

                Democrats are calling for the complete genocide of palestinians and lebanese and fox talking points is that trump would be do more effective genocide (positive to them)

                Both your political parties want mass genocide but SS members like you like to deny the observable reality. You would have voted for hitler and nothing you say can change that

                  • hypercracker
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                    1 month ago

                    Nobody here is voting for republicans. But you know that, you just have an idiotic schema whereby any vote for people other than democrats enthusiastically prosecuting a genocide is a vote for bad orange man.

                  • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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                    1 month ago

                    Only a hitlerite would see the only options they have as blue hitler or red hitler

          • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]
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            1 month ago

            Funny seeing how "communists" have their views align so perfectly with Fox Fucking News lately.

            Fox News also wants death to Israel?

          • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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            1 month ago

            "with the expansion of israel and its' proxies, it's fundamental to the US to have steady leadership in that area". Could've literally meant that he wants the US to broker peace in the region

            lmao holy shit the delusion, there is no reading of what he said that could be construed as "support for peace", the fuckin word expansion gives away the game you dumb fuck, is your reading comprehension so blinkered that you think "expansion of israel and its' proxies" is an anti-Fox News take?

            Get a grip genocide lover

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        1 month ago

        Lol

        You're a genocide supporter. A nazi. Your hands will never be clean, and the people of the world will never accept you as one of their own. You will live a life of desperate disconnection from humanity as your empire gets more wretched and feeble. You will spend your days justifying your moral cowardice to yourself before dying with the stink of fascism on your name and soul. You and the other proudly stupid crackers are already damned, and it's been a trip to watch you decay into being this way in real time.

        Honestly, seeing you flail and desperately cling on to genocider propaganda about how akshually it's the anti-genociders that are bad, seeing how smug you are in your know-nothingness, makes me feel less bad about the meaningless death you're probably going to experience in the Strait of Hormuz pretty soon if you're of conscription age, which it sounds like you are.

          • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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            1 month ago

            Lol yea go vote for the party engage in Genocide and say its us the ones that love genocide

          • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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            1 month ago

            The fascists Kruschev crushed in Hungary were literally engaged in antisemitic pogroms.

            Also, defeating an insurgency isn't inherently genocidal, quit minimizing genocide.

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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        1 month ago

        and only the "expansion of israel and its' proxies is fundamental to the US" part remains.

        It's almost like that's what he said and is objectively the policy of the Biden/Kamala admin, oh wait we were supposed to take the mangled platitudes at face value and pretend he and the admin he represents doesn't support genocide, so genocide loving liberals like you can feel better about yourselves?

        Nah we aren't gonna do that, keep coping genocide lover