• Sandals [none/use name]
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    First off, thank you for the compliment.

    I think people can be radicalized by ideology or material conditions, mostly a combination thereof.

    "Honestly it seems to me like most “leftists” would just rather talk to college educated peers than poor black and brown folks who make up the actual Proletariat in this country."

    ^I don't see what this has to do with my opinion that the DSA could help move people down a path of radicalization. Seems pretty ad hominem at that, you don't know anything about me dude.

    • PhaseFour [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I think people can be radicalized by ideology or material conditions, mostly a combination thereof.

      Yes, this is the divide between the intelligentsia consciousness & the proletariat consciousness in communist parties.

      Revolutions do not succeed when led by the intelligentsia, because they are not materially driven.

      • Rev [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        And yet pretty much all successful socialist revolutions up till now were led by the intelligencia 🤔

        • PhaseFour [he/him]
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          Remember when the Soviets of Students' and Academics' Deputies became the base of the USSR? lmao

          The only members of the intelligentsia that have contributed to revolution made themselves subservient to the proletariat & peasants.

          • Rev [none/use name]
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            You said "led", not "became the base". No need to move the goalposts. There's a good reason for this too, seeing as how the capitalist system actively discourages the proletariat from thinking about possible alternatives by denying education, propagating lowest common denominator culture and, above all, burdening proles with work and struggle for survival to the point they're too exhausted. All of this besides the point if we're talking about the DSA, because it's explicitly not a revolutionary organisation.

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              You said “led”, not “became the base”

              Yes, I did. If you pretend "the revolution" is led solely by the one figurehead that gets credit (Mao, Lenin, etc.), then you are misunderstanding history.

              How many of the uprisings in 1905 and summer 1917 do you think were led by the intelligentsia? Very few.

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      4 years ago

      Not everything is about you personally lol. The only thing I said about you personally I'd that your analysis is wrong.