• PhaseFour [he/him]
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    These are two separate issues

    Organizations have a limited capacity. An organization is where they focus their labor, and nothing more.

    I'm disappointed to see DSA move closer towards the UK Labor Party strategy: more focus on mass-membership, less focus on base-building. It is a fragile organizing strategy that has a bad history of success.

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      You can't have a "base" in an organization with 5 digit membership in a country of 325 million. The CPUSA had almost 75,000 official members at its peak in a country of 125 million. And the risks of being a CPUSA member in the 30s were much higher than being a DSA member.

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        I don't understand what you are saying here. You cannot have an engaged base of members with five digit membership?

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          The DSA isn't supposed to be a hobby club or a volunteer organization. An "engaged base" of 50,000 people isn't going to do jack shit in a country of over 300 million when the goal is a political project. Especially when you keep it 100 and consider who is actually in the DSA - they aren't threatening anyone in power anytime soon.

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        Sure. That is not happening. That is why I have these criticisms.

        If DSA first has a campaign to build internal organs for membership engagement, then had this recruitment drive, I would not have this criticism.

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      This is literally the first time the org has had any sort of membership recruitment drive.

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        Yes. They decided to move in the direction mass-membership, low participation in a time where their engagement is already low. That is my criticism.

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          Its a larger participation than all the other orgs combined. I think dsa can benefit from internal upkeep and education for sure, though idk how thats impended by a membership drive. In fact the best time to do such a campaign is after a larger batch of new members joins. I think one of the bigger lacking things in dsa is effective communication systems, which a lack thereof creates a hard barrier for entry, participation, and engagement. This is an ongoing thing the org is working on and its not impended in any way by a membership recruitment campaign.

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            Its a larger participation than all the other orgs combined.

            I have had much different experiences.

            In fact the best time to do such a campaign is after a larger batch of new members joins.

            You think so? I would imagine having a plan in place to engage & educate members before bringing more people on would make the most sense. That process takes a lot of work in my experience. It won't be successful executed on-the-fly.

            This is an ongoing thing the org is working on and its not impended in any way by a membership recruitment campaign.

            Membership engagement is impeded by holding your largest recruitment drive ever before addressing these issues. The best time to engage people is when they are being brought on board. That process was horribly lacking in my experiences with DSA. I saw more people disengage from DSA after joining than I've seen in any other organization.

            Why is DSA choosing to bring on a shit-ton of members before addressing these issues? I do not understand that.

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              Its a different base building. Getting your relatives and friends to join DSA to get engaged with the movement and their local community and also call themselves socialist is a good thing. These people would have otherwise never gotten engaged in any way, so now they have the opportunity to. DSA does tons of things to educate people and teach them how to get engaged, idk what u even mean they should do that they arent already tbh. Chapters also vary a lot from place to place, but i would agree that engagement could be better, but thats an actual matter of communication systems imo. If there were a dsa slack or something for each chapter it would be easier to stay engaged for example. These things are all being worked on though.