malicious hexbears are taking advantage of people's trauma to turn them against the west folks (and judging by the recent survey, turning them trans too? 
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https://lemmy.world/comment/12777548 link cuz im not a lib
the comment in the screeshot is responding to @blakeus12@hexbear.net's wholesome introduction post here: https://hexbear.net/post/3631051
I made a TLDR here: https://hexbear.net/comment/5484512
Well he’s got us there lmao
again, the only scenario where being australian is an advantage - you miss all the drama
They were more frequent pre-federation. The most recent kerfuffle I can think of that escalated to a full blown struggle sesh was a post in the dunk tank about a man getting offended that his girlfriend wouldn't have slept with him if she didn't know him but is happy he's hubby material, or something like that. That was a few months ago.
I view them as character building exercises lol /hj
I really don't think the site is nearly that bad anymore though, the last site threatening struggle session afaik was the VCJ onboarding which was before my time
We've only had ONE real bad struggle session and it's the vegan one, which lasted like half a week three years ago
And frankly compared to shit like the 2017 multi-thread struggle session about how "Native Americans are racist ethno-nationalists" which dominated r/chapotraphouse for half a summer, people on this site are living in forum paradise
Man, thank god i missed or forgot about that thread in the sub
To this day the funniest struggle session is the time a power poster from r/blackfellas launched a one-man offensive against the whole of r/chapotraphouse
Man spent the whole thread cussing out the whole sub with half of us joining him and the other half getting in their white feelings, the joy I felt that day, we straight up cuffed half the sub and let that man execute them one by one
@frauddogg@hexbear.net this you? jk jk but it does sound like something you might do here lol
Ehhhhhh doubtful. I was around for r/genzedong but I think cth was gone by the time I was indulging misplaced redditor brainworms. Shit, 'blackfellas' sounds like a op on a place like Reddit; I didn't fuck with a single poc sub because I couldn't shake that sense that it was all digital blackface all the way down.
Like, when I talk to Angel or other homies from em_poc I actually believe that's kinfolk. I never once got that feeling on reddit, anywhere; so I wouldn't go to at for any of 'em like that lmao
Interestingly the digital blackface problem was precisely the reason r/blackfellas went mod invitation only six years ago, and the "lurking" problem was a constant source of annoyance for people on the sub, having to deal with the constant stream of "As a white person I understand your struggle" posts
I remember that was actually one of the reasons that power user launched his blitz against the chapo sub, before the 2017 purge of the stupidpol racists, the chapo sub had a toxic reputation with many poc people on the site (especially black users), but the semi-miracle of early 2018 chapo brought many poc people back to the sub, which was why that power user was a little surprised when half the sub and most of the mods backed up his claims and takes
yeah i mean it would have been vanishingly unlikely it would have been you lol, i more so meant you would fight half of hexbear at once if you thought it necessary just like the guy cyborg was talking about. as far as reddit, obviously I'm white so i can't say for certain but BPT when they first did that country club thing seemed like it had a relatively decent chance of actually being made up of mostly black people, but unfortunately the mods are liberals so they eventually let what was both a great bit and honestly a great thing slide and these days it feels like how it used to and also feels incredibly astroturfed, even the country club threads feel basically the same to me
Oh absolutely; but if I'm fighting you, it's probably because I still think there's something worth saving in there. It's when I become indifferent that you're fucked lmao.
Not wrong! Also not wrong about the astroturf; reason I never felt cool around BPT was because I didn't know what to call it yet, but it felt wrong that so much skinfolk could be counted on to go to bat for people who even BEFORE the DNC's mask-off "go fuck yourself" energy, were obviously just taking our support for granted because who else are we gonna vote for, the party of the Klan? The me that exists these days knows them for the misleaders they've always been.
(Honestly in hindsight, a lot of my bias against BPT might've been because I recognized the same manner of talking there that skinfolk on DemocraticUnderground tended to dabble in; and a lot of what started me down the path of ML was just rank, flagrant disgust for the misleadership I was perceiving on a subcon level even at that point in my life regarding the contradiction of being a Black democrat post-2000.)
i'll always have a soft place in my heart for BPT though, seeing everyone freak out about how racist it supposedly was to try and make a subreddit about black people actually be majority black provided hours of entertainment even though I wasn't a socialist yet. just endless waves of my fellow crackers, as you would put it, showing their whole asses
This is the heart of critical support. I'm not gonna sit here and front like watching stupidpol posters mald about them wasn't funny as fuck lmao. "Oh wah, they support segregation", "separatist" this and that aimed at the most milquetoast of misled liberals; my settler in white jesus 99.999% of your subs are white-dominated
i mean from my understanding the transphobe/downvote struggle session had to be at least almost as bad lol.
and good god I'm kind of glad I just thought yall were silly tankies who were kind of funny with the post hog bit back then, that sounds horrid
I spent so long in the posting mines during the multiple neopronoun struggle sessions. You'd never guess which paleopronouns were most vocal in those threads. 😄
is paleopronouns a joke for he/him? /srs
Really it's a broader joke-y term for the standard set of English pronouns, but I am particularly referencing the high proportion of he/him-tagged transphobes that were purged in the great conflagration. Now I mostly just pick at that scab to see if there are lurking #NotAllMen posters who have simply failed to show the entirety of their asses, yet.
I think there were (and to some degree still are) just a lot of performatively radical posters who could not actually bring themselves to introspect and deprogram reactionary parts of themselves. The majority of the early user base was Redditors, and the majority of Redditors are the big pink slice in the trans survey, and operating exclusively from the dominant end of cultural hegemony takes real fucking work to unwind.
Anecdotally, many cases where this introspection cracked a bunch of eggs. ⚧️
I think there are ways in which it is better now, but I definitely miss the anarchic flavor of the very early chapo.chat/hexbear community. A lot of that was probably COVID madness and isolation hornt, to be fair. Still more trans/misogyny and racist brainworms than I think most Hexbears would be keen to admit, but the purges really did set a tone that at least sets the floor of discourse a fair bit higher than most in the common social media diet.
anyone on this site who falls for a #notallmen bait post deserves to not only get banned for misogyny but also for being dumb enough to get got the by the same kind of bait I see liberal feminists use, it's like the most baby brain basic shit and also is very obviously bait, like if i ever see someone fall for a post at the level of "women would choose the bear" on a site that's supposed to have socialists that can think through things I might delete my account of embarrassment for them and as atonement for also being cis male (/hj i'm very attached to the bit for this account i dont think i would be able to bring myself to do it and I'm kinda afraid someone would immediately link me a thread with a long time hexbear user falling for it). ironically i think a bait post I would be far less embarrassed about was if that dogshit cheating thread a week and half ago (I can get the link if you need to see what I'm talking about) had been posted by someone on an alt account, i dont think the immediate story would bait anyone into a #notallmen type position but it still got a lot of hexbear he/hims to show their asses
That thread was wild. Moralism is the spectre haunting Hexbear.
oh god so people were being dumb here on hexbear?
Oh, I actually may be a Lemmy boomer and read the thread on whichever hell instance clicking through a link here and the app I use did not make that sufficiently obvious. I'll have to go find it again.
there's still hope for my account then...
That was too one-sided to really be called a struggle session, it was more like a dozen people just blatantly outing themselves as transphobes without any pretext, and after a month damn near 95% of the site agreed removing downvotes improved site functionality and reduced toxicity
that's true from what I've read, more of a purge than a struggle session lol
Uphold TransComrade69 thought! 🫡
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Yea tbh I actually think it’s somewhat overblown, people get into dumb slap fights about shit on the Internet, hb isn’t really unique in that regard. I’d rather that than it be a forum of a bunch of liberals agreeing with each other about how the poors need to die.
….but tbf I miss like 80% of them these days
I miss most of the struggle session too, mostly because I spend most of my time in the news thread. I participated in a small one about AI the other day where I was getting dunked on which sure is annoying but like just move on with your day and tell people you don't want to argue anymore, it's not that hard lol
You missed an earlier "AI' struggle session last year where some so-called leftists were pulling the "not real workers" card to smirk and sneer at artists, writers, teachers, and more having their jobs endangered. It was a big fat hard hat fetish session for them.
I want the hard-hats to surrender their hands at the wrists to the nearest artists they know just for going to bat for the theftboxes tbh
Producerism on my hexbear?? More likely than you might think
That early struggle session was wild. I don't remember the user names, but there were, just about verbatim, "don't care, cheap treats" takes, as well as "if your job is threatened, it isn't a real job" smugposting. Of course, Silicon Valley popularized crude reductionism lingo such as "meat puppets" and "meat computers" got tossed around to make the LLMs seem that much closer (or superior) to living beings.
i actually vaguely remember that, i dont think I commented on it from what I remember a big difference between the one a few days ago and that one was that they were huge bazingas that thought that the singularity was around the corner and kept trying to pretend that like llms dont "hallucinate" (for lack of a better term) and what not
The sophistic tactic of "declare humans are non-sapient and that human consciousness is an illusion to make the treat printers sound closer to sapience and consciousness" was fucking exhausting back then. One particularly bazinga asshole even cited the Blade Runner sequel as evidence of treat printers actually being conscious already, actually. Yes, that bazinga was told that was fiction. It didn't matter. Everyone that bazinga didn't like was a bad evil and stupid holo-waifu hater and being a true believer in the fiction made the bazinga very smart.
i wonder if they wandered off to some other place or if they finally did some self crit and are just on new accounts lol
I believe there's a chance that a Lemmyverse jagoff account named "FrightfulHobgoblin" is the same proselytizer to this day. When they're not busy declaring that a sufficient number of TI-88 calculators bolted together is equal (or superior) to human consciousness, they're being a creep and sex pest elsewhere in the network.
It's probably easier for a creep to be a sex pest if they see a feeemale that they're stalking as "just a meat computer with only an illusory consciousness" that can be hacked with sufficiently clever word choices and stalking tactics.
that sounds almost more like sollipism, although I suppose they share a lot of similarities.
"Simulation theory" is another related belief that techbros picked up, thought they invented it first, and congratulated themselves for it. They really like the idea of everything around them being reductionistically crude resources to exploit or obstacles to overcome, where they are by contrast the Main Character through some unspecified justification.
i dont quite understand how simulation theory leads to solipsism though, there's no reason to think that just because you are part of a simulation that you are the only one experiencing qualia, and in fact unless you are complete narcisst who think whoever made the simulation is literally controlling every single other part of the simulation to, idk, measure your reaction to shit i kinda feel like believing you are in a simulation should actually lead you away from solipsism because it's both a much less narcissistic assumption and also that i feel like a simulation with many thinking beings would be way more interesting than some puny human's brain?
That's just it: the loudest, richest, and most powerful "simulation theory" believers are narcissists and do go on further to describe people they don't like as "NPCs" that don't actually have consciousness, only pre-programmed responses to stimuli.
The most glaring example is
and he tweets exhaustively about his "NPC" delusions.
i guess i should never underestimate their narcissism but it's still such a foreign concept to me...
It would have been a foreign concept to me too if I hadn't been around such creeps since they called themselves "Extropians" in the 90s and started rebranding every few years after that.
Some people really do see themselves as the Epic Main Character Video Game Boy and everything around them as a big video game.
again I know this is because I'm just not wired like that but it seriously seems so... lonely to me. like you seriously only think you're the only person that matters and you have no one else to actually have conversations with? like frankly speaking i dont think i would uh, last long thinking like that
Oh, one of the creepiest features of
's abusive relationship with Grimes was when he convinced her that she was only a construction of his own mind, made specifically to please and serve him.
That's fucked.
he convinced her that she was not real? i am fucking amazed that is even possible, i actually do know there is a philosophy that none of us actually exist and existence is an illusion of our brains (which is kinda popular among physicists from my understanding?) but how do you convince someone experiencing qualia that you are real and that they are not???
Yes. That's the bewildering thing to me: she believed it, apparently. She even started tweeting about that belief.
Dennett popularized that shit, too: the idea that the very first and arguably only thing we can be truly aware of (awareness itself) being an "illusion" whatever the fuck that is. If it's an illusion, how is anything we perceive in our illusion supposed to be taken as anything but more illusions? It's a go-nowhere belief that's just vulgar materialism for its own sake.
yeah ever since I first read about it I kinda took it as coping that physicists did to try and keep reality neat and predictable to their nice long complicated math equations as possible even if it doesnt really fit with what they experience in their day to day life, not to get into a whole "free will" debate but like "it's an illusion" does not really adequately explain the feeling of choosing between actions or being able to choose not to act on a desire or why that illusion is somehow useful in ensuring a lifeform survives (and i think "it was random chance" is about as strong of an explanation as saying "god did it")
This conversation may even provoke another struggle session with "Hard D" determinists and those are always a fucking chore. It amounts to the same thing as "what if it's all a simulation" to me: "what if free will is an illusion and everyone just beep boops directly to incoming stimuli?" Well, that "illusion" is the only kind of "free will" we have and probably will ever know, so shitting on it to score nerd points is tiresome and even masturbatory to me.
Maybe everything we do is predetermined on some subatomic scale. We still experience qualia and consciously ("illusion" or otherwise) live accordingly. What the fuck are we supposed to do, with our lives, with society itself, with these clout-chasing asterisks in our lived experience? Once some tedious Reddit nerd claimed "society should be completely revised to meet Deterministic principles" and even the hints at his proposals were bazinga dystopian hellscape ideas like developing panopticon systems of such relentless thoroughness that everyone at all times would effectively be just circuits on a big circuit board.
That sounds fucking miserable and shitty for its own sake, some asshole's spank bank power fantasy that'd make any life lived under it worse than the "illusion" ever was.
yeah i was a little afraid of that when I used the term probably will just say disengage immediately if anyone tries lol.
but like from our best approximation of nature this isn't in the case, which is why i just think the popularity of the "we don't exist" theory among physiscts very strange, it almost at some level denies both experience and physics itself to cling to this philosophy because it supports the idea that everything is predetermined like you so desperately want, it feels almost religous in nature (and again to clarify, it's not the philosophy itself that is religious, i do think it has some validity as far as I think dismissing it out of hand would probably be an even more religious thinking, it's moreso that i find the popularity of it among people who are well known to like, fucking despair that quantum mechanics means the universe is fundamentally not predetermined to be a sign that a lot of them are probably not coming at it from a super well grounded philosophical perspective)
yeah it's a big part of the reason I don't follow the philosophy, whether I actually exist and it's me choosing to follow this or if it's just how my qualia was predetermined to be arranged, I fundamentally think the philosophy is anti-human and leads to a lot of ideas for society that I (or my qualia) resolutely oppose. kinda similar reasoning for why i give no thought to whether or not we live in a simulation other than maybe like a fun 2am conversation when I'm drunk with my friends, focusing and obsessing about it doesnt do any good for society and that ultimately is my number one philosophy.
When I want to be generous and not just say "shut up, nerd" or remind said nerd that the most divorced manchild in the world shares his (almost always a he) enthusiasm for the belief system, I usually give an easy to swallow version of my take like "this 'simulation' is all we have ever known, effectively is the only existence we have any experience or knowledge of, and what would you even start to do after 'escaping' it even if 'escaping' it was somehow possible?"
It's hard for me to even imagine internalizing such empty narcissistic beliefs, but I've had decades of experience trying to argue, even plead, with such people in the past. They're real, and they're disturbing.
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R/showerthought posts were awful
Reddit became even more insufferable than usual when that shit started to take off.
/r/writingprompts was full of bazinga like
"ELO~N has just mathematically proved that the universe is actually a simulation. He decides to demonstrate that by launching the world's nuclear arsenal into space to cause a simulation-wide lag spike." 
Those weren't even prompts. They were "idea guys" that wrote short outlines, including their dull "twists" and expected someone else to write it out for them.