Only no, make fun of Mussolini by all means, but dont think CCP and Soviet actions arent any different, both wanted to eradicate minorities and built concentration camps, both were against the lgbtq.
Downplay fascists all you want. But Tankies arent very different from fascists.
The historical origin of the term tankie is CPGB members getting mad that Khruschev put down an antisemitic, fascist, CIA-backed fake revolution in Hungary lol.
"Hello fellow leftists I think crushing fascists with tanks is the same as crushing civilians with tanks"
Its funny how libs that think they're socialists or very left, or whatever may have one AES that for some reason is okay. Vietnam with this lib, I've seen some that believe all the State Dep shit, except about Cuba. Its like, why just that one place? Have you considered the rest?
With Vietnam in particular, some US liberals have a sort of guilt thing because of the Vietnam war, but something both Cuba and Vietnam have in common (with respect to both): They're not very big, they're not very powerful. I think the support you sometimes see for them is extremely dependent on them remaining largely powerless. Kind of the same reason for the whole "supporting every revolution, except the ones that succeeded" thing.
Also, with Cuba in particular, for many of them it was the family planning law that made Cuba the most LGBT-friendly nation on earth. Like, people who shat on Cuba and derided it as "authoritarian" before that had a sudden change of heart, almost as though it was the first real thing they learned about Cuba and it fucking blew their minds or something.
You literally came into a thread where people are dunking on Mussolini and started pissing and crying saying we're bigots. You made up some wild claims about the people here being anti-lgbtq (lol) in another comment thread; you clearly don't understand any of our positions and if I had to guess you know all you know about politics from either streamers, clowns, or both.
we're evil communists here to, uh, feed the poor, secure housing for everyone, oppose violence against innocent people. you know, all those horrible things liberals kill people for
Dont try one language and one culture everywhere, also stop veing against the lgbtq.
Nobody here supports "one language and one culture everywhere" and this site has so many lgbt people, like I think all or at least the strong majority of the mods and admins, and I estimate at least a third or more of the regular users are some flavor of lgbt.
call me when the SEESEEPEE has aircraft carriers in the gulf of mexico the way amerikkka has aircraft carriers in the south china sea. call me when china is building military bases in other countries without their consent the way Amerikkka keeps guantanamo bay open despite the cuban government not consenting to it for over 60 years. Call me when China has over 800 military bases all around the world. Call me when China is couping, sanctioning, embargoing, and assassinating anyone who inconveniences their foreign policy. Call me when you have something besides disproven atrocity propaganda from Adrian Zenz.
Please, you're spiritually a burgerland inhabitant
'I'm a leftist but I think everything to actually do with leftism is bad. Everyone knows real leftism is when you vote for the anticommunist girlboss liberal who wants to means test food stamps more and subsequently raise the military budget by 50%, slava ukraini'
A "socialist" who believes capitalist propaganda and refers to the largest and most successful actually existing socialist state's functionality as "antics"? Sounds pretty liberal to me.
And im not American either :)
The person you're replying to wasn't suggesting that you were. He signs all his comments with that phrase at the end, and strangely enough, it's almost always fitting.
Anyway, yes, this instance does tend to try to talk about China accurately, and it does so in the face of overwhelming torrents of western propaganda cultivated by the capitalist's/imperialist's demonization of the state that poses the largest contemporary threat to their hegemony.
I just edited my comment to fix my use of "they/their" into "he/him" as per the other commenter's pronouns. I mention this specifically because you said in another comment for us to "stop being against lgbtq." This instance is the most lgbtq-positive space I've ever encountered on the internet. We frequently get hated on by transphobes because we include pronouns next to usernames. We were, and to my knowledge still are, the only instance to do so.
Fascists and tankies are the same to me, neither have voting rights and both want to eradicate minority cultures. Only wanting a homogeneous societies.
Im a socialist myself, but CCP ideology just means only a few people get to stay in power just like feudal lords.
Fascists and tankies are the same to me, neither have voting rights and both want to eradicate minority cultures.
Which is why the concepts of "whole process peoples democracy" and "mass line" originate in China. And why China exempted minorities from the one child policy and does affirmative action in schooling and government positions
Putting Uigyurs in concentration camps, being against the LGBTQ, colonising Tibet and eradicating their language and culture. Disputing borders with every neighbour. Claiming control for the entire South China Sea.
According the the fundamentalist Arian Zenz who is on a 'divine mission from god to destroy the ccp', but according to UN represenativies who have actually visited the region; https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/05/statement-un-high-commissioner-human-rights-michelle-bachelet-after-official?fbclid=IwAR2AOnouU529HJwYiZphgIyD4ZgRaK5la7x03mJ5Ep5r75S2glpXXS_3LfY
being against the LGBTQ
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/07/11/china-court-rules-against-forced-conversion-therapy while the US and other Western states still has gay conversion torture legal and active in many states
Of all the claims against China, the one I always find the strangest is that they want to control the South China Sea. As opposed the US who wants to control like every ocean with its Navy?
Ccp aint even communists... its like any other capitalistic country
They just have the word in their name. Doesnt mean shit.
Just like the countries with the word "democratic" in their full name, are the least democratic of all. (Democratic republic of congo... its actually a dictatorship)
A party of 90 million members and 500,000 municipal level labor cohorts voting in local and regional elections to create a central goverment that defuses most of its authority to regional economic blocs is far more democratic than any of the horseshit top down neoliberal technocracy that passes as "democracy" in the west
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea has a better constitution than the US. Instead of a president appointing all of the heads of executive departments people get to vote for them.
Harvard University’s Ash Center released a 2020 study of Chinese public opinion showing that, as of 2016, “95.5 percent of respondents were either ‘relatively satisfied’ or ‘highly satisfied’ with Beijing,”
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Li: At the moment, the Chinese the party state has proven an extraordinary ability to change. I mean, I make the joke: “in America you can change the political party, but you can’t change the policies. In China you cannot change the party, but you can change policies.” So, in the past 66 years, China has been run by one single party. Yet the political changes that have taken place in China in these past 66 years have been wider, and broader, and greater than probably any other major country in modern memory.
Pilger: So in that time China ceased to be communist. Is that what you’re saying?
Li: Well, China is a market economy, and it’s a vibrant market economy. But it is not a capitalist country. Here’s why: there’s no way a group of billionaires could control the Politburo as billionaires control American policy-making. So in China you have a vibrant market economy, but capital does not rise above political authority. Capital does not have enshrined rights. In America, capital — the interests of capital and capital itself — has risen above the American nation. The political authority cannot check the power of capital. That’s why America is a capitalist country, and China is not.
from https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
also hey look, you're in this picture:
Marxists view "success" as improving people's lives, i.e. increasing the
amount of wealth each individual has, getting people out poverty,
improving life expectancy, improving literacy, improving home ownership
rates, improving access to health care, so on and so forth.
Liberals view "success" as bringing people "freedumb and democrazy",
even if that entails completely destroying their living standards,
killing tons of people, driving people into immense poverty, preventing
their country from developing.
But it makes no sense because if "democracy" comes from the Greek,
"demos kratia," meaning, "people's power." If the people actually had
the power, why would they not use the political institutions to improve
their livelihoods? So how do liberals reconcile this contradiction that
you can have "democracy" while at the same time not having expected
outcomes from democracy?
They resolve this contradiction by reducing "democracy" down to mere
rituals. If you perform the rituals, you're a "democracy." If you don't,
you're a ”dictatorship." The actual outcomes of the rituals don't
matter, if people's lives aren't improving, if they're even getting
worse, it's all justified as long as people are performing the correct
rituals.
This makes liberal understanding of "democracy" better understood as a
state religion rather than any actual real desire to give power to the
people. They, in fact, always, consistently, praise the destruction of
living standards as long as those rituals get to be performed. Libya is a
great example of this, but so is all of eastern Europe, so is the
million who died of COVID in the US while they call China
"authoritarian" for protecting its people.
So if you look at global poverty over the last (say) 40 years or so, there's been a downward trend. Take China out, no downward trend. The World Bank likes to crow about how their policies have lead to the lowest levels of poverty in history, but if you look at places like sub Saharan Africa and Latin America where the World Bank and the IMF have been most active, poverty has been stagnant at best and actively increasing at worst - something the UN has remarked upon repeatedly.
So what gives? If China is just like any other capitalistic country, why is poverty going down there so much faster than anywhere else? Is the fact that China has been so apparently successful at reducing poverty and food insecurity an endorsement of authoritarianism?
Is this instance another lemmmygrad? Supporting the CCP and all its antics?
at what point in your life do you become the sort of person to get defensive over people making fun of Mussolini
Only no, make fun of Mussolini by all means, but dont think CCP and Soviet actions arent any different, both wanted to eradicate minorities and built concentration camps, both were against the lgbtq.
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I dont complain about Vietnam. They never caused problems to their neighbours.
Downplay fascists all you want. But Tankies arent very different from fascists.
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The historical origin of the term tankie is CPGB members getting mad that Khruschev put down an antisemitic, fascist, CIA-backed fake revolution in Hungary lol.
"Hello fellow leftists I think crushing fascists with tanks is the same as crushing civilians with tanks"
fuck outta here
It's always about civility and lawns with liberals. 😫
Its funny how libs that think they're socialists or very left, or whatever may have one AES that for some reason is okay. Vietnam with this lib, I've seen some that believe all the State Dep shit, except about Cuba. Its like, why just that one place? Have you considered the rest?
With Vietnam in particular, some US liberals have a sort of guilt thing because of the Vietnam war, but something both Cuba and Vietnam have in common (with respect to both): They're not very big, they're not very powerful. I think the support you sometimes see for them is extremely dependent on them remaining largely powerless. Kind of the same reason for the whole "supporting every revolution, except the ones that succeeded" thing.
Also, with Cuba in particular, for many of them it was the family planning law that made Cuba the most LGBT-friendly nation on earth. Like, people who shat on Cuba and derided it as "authoritarian" before that had a sudden change of heart, almost as though it was the first real thing they learned about Cuba and it fucking blew their minds or something.
You literally came into a thread where people are dunking on Mussolini and started pissing and crying saying we're bigots. You made up some wild claims about the people here being anti-lgbtq (lol) in another comment thread; you clearly don't understand any of our positions and if I had to guess you know all you know about politics from either streamers, clowns, or both.
we're evil communists here to, uh, feed the poor, secure housing for everyone, oppose violence against innocent people. you know, all those horrible things liberals kill people for
You can be communists but dont be tankies. Dont try one language and one culture everywhere, also stop veing against the lgbtq.
you're talking to an instance that's 70% LGBT - would appreciate if you didn't condescend to tell us what's good for us.
Oh, buddy, you must have no idea where you are.
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Can you point me towards further reading on these state sponsored gay bars? It sounds really cool and I'd love to know more!
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Thanks, much appreciated!
Nobody here supports "one language and one culture everywhere" and this site has so many lgbt people, like I think all or at least the strong majority of the mods and admins, and I estimate at least a third or more of the regular users are some flavor of lgbt.
Pretty sure I'm the only cishet mod and it's just tokenism
白猴子 (异性恋者)
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No. Everyone will speak Esperanto or I will die trying.
And sending in the tanks was the best thing Khrushchev did.
call me when the SEESEEPEE has aircraft carriers in the gulf of mexico the way amerikkka has aircraft carriers in the south china sea. call me when china is building military bases in other countries without their consent the way Amerikkka keeps guantanamo bay open despite the cuban government not consenting to it for over 60 years. Call me when China has over 800 military bases all around the world. Call me when China is couping, sanctioning, embargoing, and assassinating anyone who inconveniences their foreign policy. Call me when you have something besides disproven atrocity propaganda from Adrian Zenz.
Dont ask me, im not American.
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Please, you're spiritually a burgerland inhabitant
'I'm a leftist but I think everything to actually do with leftism is bad. Everyone knows real leftism is when you vote for the anticommunist girlboss liberal who wants to means test food stamps more and subsequently raise the military budget by 50%, slava ukraini'
shut the fuck up liberal
Death to America
Im not liberal, im a socialist.
And im not American either :)
Why do you sound like an American liberal tho?
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A "socialist" who believes capitalist propaganda and refers to the largest and most successful actually existing socialist state's functionality as "antics"? Sounds pretty liberal to me.
The person you're replying to wasn't suggesting that you were. He signs all his comments with that phrase at the end, and strangely enough, it's almost always fitting.
Anyway, yes, this instance does tend to try to talk about China accurately, and it does so in the face of overwhelming torrents of western propaganda cultivated by the capitalist's/imperialist's demonization of the state that poses the largest contemporary threat to their hegemony.
I just edited my comment to fix my use of "they/their" into "he/him" as per the other commenter's pronouns. I mention this specifically because you said in another comment for us to "stop being against lgbtq." This instance is the most lgbtq-positive space I've ever encountered on the internet. We frequently get hated on by transphobes because we include pronouns next to usernames. We were, and to my knowledge still are, the only instance to do so.
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Fascists and tankies are the same to me, neither have voting rights and both want to eradicate minority cultures. Only wanting a homogeneous societies.
Im a socialist myself, but CCP ideology just means only a few people get to stay in power just like feudal lords.
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I am on topic, u just couldn't counter me.
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Be a communist but dont think that CCP are communists, they are nothing but new age fuedal lords.
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What is "feudal" about them to you? These words have meanings and you use them as though they're just vibes or something.
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Which is why the concepts of "whole process peoples democracy" and "mass line" originate in China. And why China exempted minorities from the one child policy and does affirmative action in schooling and government positions
Also, in regards to minority cultures, aren't there literally autonomous ethnic republics in China?
Honest question. What the fuck is a "tanki" Can you define it?
What alternatives do you recommend? What is some literature we can look at?
You're objectively misinformed first, allegedly socialist second
I'm something of a socialist myself
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Where do you nerds get these weird ideas? CPC (if you weren't rascist you'd know) are fuedal lords? Homogenous societies? Eradicate minorities?
Reminds me of something about every accusation being a confession
yes
Cry ab it
We're just a bunch of goofballs up to no good
Critical support to shenanigans
idk about that; but, like, most of them, yeah?
I for one am pro-antics.
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Now that's Bidenomics I can get behind!
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Putting Uigyurs in concentration camps, being against the LGBTQ, colonising Tibet and eradicating their language and culture. Disputing borders with every neighbour. Claiming control for the entire South China Sea.
According the the fundamentalist Arian Zenz who is on a 'divine mission from god to destroy the ccp', but according to UN represenativies who have actually visited the region; https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/05/statement-un-high-commissioner-human-rights-michelle-bachelet-after-official?fbclid=IwAR2AOnouU529HJwYiZphgIyD4ZgRaK5la7x03mJ5Ep5r75S2glpXXS_3LfY
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/07/11/china-court-rules-against-forced-conversion-therapy while the US and other Western states still has gay conversion torture legal and active in many states
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-11-11/china-s-first-clinic-for-transgender-kids-opens-in-shanghai
Eradicating the slave theocracy ruling Tibet, with the support of the Tibetan working class you mean?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism
http://un.china-mission.gov.cn/eng/gyzg/xizang/200804/t20080417_8410890.htm#:~:text=Serf%20owners%20in%20Tibet%20were,and%20most%20of%20the%20livestock.
https://spcommreports.ohchr.org/TMResultsBase/DownLoadFile?gId=37345#:~:text=The%20Chinese%20Government%20attaches%20great,own%20spoken%20and%20written%20language.
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Damn you really thought you had something there
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Of all the claims against China, the one I always find the strangest is that they want to control the South China Sea. As opposed the US who wants to control like every ocean with its Navy?
this is a picture of Mussolini. where on earth did you get China from this post?
observe the following
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没有共产党，就没有新中国
@TranslatorBot@lemmygrad.ml
"without the communist party, there would be no new China"
Could not detect language to translate to
Default to Esperanto as a critique of anglocentrism.
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What antics do you speak of?
https://vid.puffyan.us/embed/tPHXduO77vw?start=72&end=82
I support the broad direction in which they perform their antics, though there are particular frolics, japes, and escapades of which I do not approve
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Ccp aint even communists... its like any other capitalistic country
They just have the word in their name. Doesnt mean shit.
Just like the countries with the word "democratic" in their full name, are the least democratic of all. (Democratic republic of congo... its actually a dictatorship)
A party of 90 million members and 500,000 municipal level labor cohorts voting in local and regional elections to create a central goverment that defuses most of its authority to regional economic blocs is far more democratic than any of the horseshit top down neoliberal technocracy that passes as "democracy" in the west
Full disclosure I'm half educating half trolling:
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea has a better constitution than the US. Instead of a president appointing all of the heads of executive departments people get to vote for them.
[...]
from https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
also hey look, you're in this picture:
So if you look at global poverty over the last (say) 40 years or so, there's been a downward trend. Take China out, no downward trend. The World Bank likes to crow about how their policies have lead to the lowest levels of poverty in history, but if you look at places like sub Saharan Africa and Latin America where the World Bank and the IMF have been most active, poverty has been stagnant at best and actively increasing at worst - something the UN has remarked upon repeatedly.
So what gives? If China is just like any other capitalistic country, why is poverty going down there so much faster than anywhere else? Is the fact that China has been so apparently successful at reducing poverty and food insecurity an endorsement of authoritarianism?
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