"Go on, call me a tankie, you are only cancelling a lib"

  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    OK, what's your solution? Honestly, I'm all ears, but so far I've seen no other workable idea.

    • blobjim [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Just keep radicalizing and organizing more people and building consensus. Bernie Sanders has been doing live streams with people from a dozen different organizations and unions since he dropped out. He's got tons of people that trust him and will work with him even if they aren't as left-leaning as he is. That's really good. Most revolutions as far as I'm aware haven't been perfect socialist projects, but included lots of people who joined a movement because they had similar goals or trusted that movement. Having that support doesn't mean he can win an election, but he can win in other ways.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Just keep radicalizing and organizing more people and building consensus.

        With the end goal of...?

        Most revolutions as far as I’m aware haven’t been perfect socialist projects, but included lots of people who joined a movement because they had similar goals or trusted that movement.

        If the goal is a revolution, where will these non-socialist who have similar revolutionary goals come from? A classic example of what you're talking about is a colonial independence movement where communist revolutionaries and non-communist revolutionaries join together for the purpose of evicting the colonial invader. But nothing like that specifically is going to happen in the U.S.

    • Rev [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      There is no magic bullet, there is no one thing that can lead to a revolution, imperial core or not - it is a multi-pronged approach. The pillars that have to be engaged simultaneously upon which any and every revolution has to rest are:

      1. Propaganda - word of mouth, social media campaigns, demos, getting into the news with a positive message/spin, viral street art.
      2. Activism - taking part in social justice protests, helping materially marginalized and vulnerable populations as well as just helping out in the community, training camps, mutual help orgs, political campaigns.
      3. Establishing communes, co-ops, sanctuary cities and regions where socialist policy is implemented.
      4. Infiltration and sabotage - getting sleeper agents into positions of power, getting agent provocateurs into hostile structures in order to stage false flag ops and take out those orgs from the inside, whistle blowing.
      5. Militancy - bank heists, hostage taking for ransom or in order to enforce/prevent certain policy, targeted clandestine mass assassinations (of cops, military personnel, politicians, bourgeoisie), taking over criminal syndicates.

      All of the above done in concert build an actual revolutionary front that is able to wrestle power away from the bourgeoisie, as was the case time and again: Russia, Cuba, Greece, Yugoslavia, China, etc. The only other option that had success historically was a military coup by progressive officers. The second is arguably very unlikely if not outright impossible in the imperial core.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        or idiot fascists that are easily routed by other world powers.

        You're vastly underestimating the danger of a U.S. that goes full fascist.