They were socialists punks & goths from east germany who would regularly get in fights with reactionaries in their youth??? I genuinely did not see this coming. Maybe it would have been obvious if I spoke german but I don't and I am shocked. Genuinely expected chud behavior
Don't get too excited cuz the members of Rammstein had some allegations not that long ago about sexual stuff. But yes Rammstein has never been a Nazi band. The song "Links" which means "Left" is kind of about this. Tons of their songs and imagery and music videos and concert stuff also are like...gay sadomasochism stuff. Watch the music video for Mein Teil (which means "my part" which is slang for "my dick") or the music video for Sonne or watch some of their concert footage where they have like a giant dick that they use to spray faux jizz all over the audience. They're not like Nazi Germans they're like the weirdo sex Germans.
As a card-carrying weirdo sex German, i object to being compared to Rammstein.
But yes, it shouldn't surprise anybody that people who spent their youth as punks and goths in East Germany regularly got into fights with nazi skins, the fash basically tried to conquer that place immediately after the DDR fell and that has always included lots of street violence. Basically every leftist space there has been won by punching nazis in the face until they mostly gave up on the area, and after more than 30 years of fascist organizing and downright settlement policies, and tons of leftist or just not-fascist people moving away from dying towns ravaged by neoliberal shock treatment, there aren't many of these places left.
after more than 30 years of fascist organizing and downright settlement policies, and tons of leftist or just not-fascist people moving away from dying towns ravaged by neoliberal shock treatment, there aren't many of these places left.
I have never considered how this might be the case. Is there anything written about it? Sounds like an interesting rabbit hole if there's ever been a deliberate effort and any similarities to like west bank shit or whatever.
The modus operandi is less West Bank and more cult compound, or just large parts of the nazi scene in a Western city buying cheap, abandoned houses in an almost-ghost town in the East. I can dig up sources, but i don't know anything in English about this.
I mean, that's not really that dissimilar. Difference is they're not literally stealing the houses. So what they take over an area with small numbers of people an impose their cultural presence on the local area then move on to do it again elsewhere? Can probably do that with 15-30 people in areas with up to a few thousand.
Tons of their songs and imagery and music videos and concert stuff also are like...gay sadomasochism stuff.
I actually saw rammstein in concert (part of the family values tour) and while haven't seen many live shows, it was easily the most unforgettable show I've ever seen anybody put on.
I still remember:
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Lead singer comes out for the opener with a laser eye and a metal jacket they then set on fire.
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Missile launcher shot over the crowd
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Laser show
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Simulated gay sex with giant flashing robot strap-on
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Same strap-on then sprayed water over the crowd (a blessedly cool relief in the pit honestly)
I'll never forget 'em
Same. Was first big concert. I thought he was peeing at first and then my buddy was like no and I was like ohhhhhh
Great time.
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They want to believe my heart is on the right
but when I look down I see
it beats to the left
Lets just say (allegedly) Stalin was mortified when one of his (Stalin's) daughters told him she found herself alone with Beria. He then made her swear to never ever do it again.
Oh shit. Where is this info from? Sounds like interesting reading material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria#Sexual_predation
Questionable sources but since ACAB I don't really doubt it
One question tho, why wouod the head of the NKVD live so near of fuckikg yank spies
Yeah, they've had good politics from the start. Shame they're horrible people.
Their politics arent good either. Theyve claimed to be libs and made songs like radio.
What Rammstein says is fine. What Rammstein does is unfortunately another story.
The Germanic brain is prone to such behaviors.
Pretty shitty in other ways but not nazi yea - I never listened to em much but I remember liking Deutschland from a few years ago. The music video had nazi imagery which caused some controversy which I thought was odd because...the entire song was about not being able to love the concept of "germany" because of all its horrid shit - hell the nazi imagery in the video had the band being executed in a camp. Didn't strike me as an endorsement lol.
Sie woll’n mein Herz am rechten Fleck
Doch seh’ ich dann nach unten weg
Da schlägt es links!
For real? I never checked out KMFDM because I saw their name translated as "No mercy for the majority" and assumed they were on some "might makes right, crush the weak" fash shit.
Nope, they're very revolutionary-branded
Nah, they're extremely not like that, although they did get a bad rap because one of the Columbine guys was a fan.
Literally wore a KMFDM shirt that day
I dont know why, but for a while as a kid, I was convinced it stood for “Kill mother-fucking Depeche Mode” someone probably told me this and I didn’t understand it was a joke.
Ah ok so semi-official, but still a joke, thanks for clearing that up for me haha
They've been consistently releasing albums for around 40 years now
Their new album Let Go has some bangers in it too
Professional Killer and Bloodsport are in my top 10 honestly
I always loved Dis-O-Bedience too. The prechorus horn riff into the chorus guitar riffs hit just right. There's a horn solo too, which having horns in an industrial rock song rules. I love interesting instrument comboes, like how Trent Reznor started working his sax playing in to newer NIN works
I didn't realize that was Trent's sax work, like on "God Break Down the Door"?
Yeah that's him! He's always been able to play sax since his school years in marching band; but I guess he just never felt like it 'fit' anywhere in earlier NIN. He also played it some in Hesitation Marks too, in the outro of While I'm Still Here (that song destroys me) and did so on the live tour for it.
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it's a shame they went woke. al jourgensen got too political smh.
(this is a real Actual thing I've seen people say lmao)
They put out like 3 albums about how awful George W. Bush was and they're all pretty good
Even in their earliest industrial albums (maybe not their first 2 albums as much --- the synthpop ones lol) in the late 80s were very overtly political --- both in the music and in live performances, where they'd go on political rants all the time during their shows. It's so weird to me CHUDs will talk as if the album The Land of R*pe and Honey was apolitical, with songs like 'Golden Dawn' and 'Hizbollah'
The titular track of 'The Land of R*pe and Honey' is overtly anti-nationalist with 'sieg heil' chant sample-clips in the background of lyrics like "Step by step, blood by blood, the mountain that you tumbled from"... "fist to fist, eye to eye, rulers of the wasteland"... "head to head, chest to chest, which country is the very best? and in the land of r*pe and honey, you prey/pray" It is not subtle. And when Nazi skinheads who were too stupid to get the message would show up with a backwards idea the band would jump into the crowd to beat their asses themselves.
One of their old live shows had Jello Biafra on stage during that song holding an American flag while goose stepping and alternating doing the nazi salute and then bringing that hand to suck his thumb like a baby. This is not apolitical lmao. Which incidentally I've also heard people complain about Jello Biafra going woke as if he was ever apolitical; with his band called DEAD KENNEDIES with such apolitical songs like "kill the poor" "lets lynch the landlord' "holiday in cambodia" lmao.
And the second industrial album by Ministry from 1989 The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste also has very prominent political messages throughout too. 'Thieves' (banger song) has sample-clips of Nixon and of Lee Erney's character in Full Metal Jacket; and when it says "Thieves and liars! Murderers! Hypocrites and bastards!" "Hey thanks for nothing! Morals in the dust! two-faced bastards and syncophants! No trust!" it is not speaking apolitically lol.
'Breathe' talks overtly and explicitly about corporate self-serving destroying the environment and healthy life, talks about children suffocating on second-hand air in poisoned environments and lyrics like "Rusted syringes and half-thought disposal, A burial at sea, Waste water graveyard, Swimming in disease"
'Cannibal Song' and 'Never Believe' have overt anti-clerical and anti-prison bents in pretty visceral terms.
It takes a deliberate effort I don't understand in order to 'not see politics' in even the earliest of their industrial and metal works, to say nothing of their live performances which used and tore down fascist symbols and was as in your face with politics as it could get. They have always been like this, then continued as you said through Bush... I mean they never stopped. Al has always been very outspoken politically and works with people who are the same.
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Thieves is such a good fucking jam. N.W.O. is a banger too. Thank you for the compilation of good ministry stuff
I can take or leave most of their newer albums, but everything until at least Psalm 69 is great.
Eisbrecher and OOMPH!! too. No idea about their background though.
Woah, what an odd coincidence for me. I haven't listened to Rammstein for literally years (I was never much of a fan or anything, just liked some of the stuff they did and knew they were cool as far as politics). But just last night I happened to think of one of their songs and decided to loop it a few times for nostalgia's sake. Crazy. Anyway, as everyone has said, they are pretty decent politically, but I had no idea there was any SA stuff, so that's a major disappointment but not totally surprising. The song that I happened to remember and that made me want to listen to them for the first time in years was "Amerika." It goes even harder with the video.
https://cal1.iv.ggtyler.dev/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM
edit in case the above youtube frontend isn't working, here's another: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM
English-translated lyrics:
spoiler
[Chorus]
We're all living in America
America is wonderful
We're all living in America
America, America
We're all living in America
America is wonderful
We're all living in America
America, America[Verse 1]
When we dance I want to lead
When you turn yourself around alone
Let us control you a bit
I'll show you how to walk right
We create a lovely round dance
The freedom plays from all violins
Music comes from the White House
And in front of Paris stands Mickey Mouse[Chorus]
We're all living in America
America is wonderful
We're all living in America
America, America[Verse 2]
I know the very useful steps
And I will protect you from missteps
And who does not want to dance at the end
Does not know that he must dance
We create a lovely round dance
I will show you the direction
To Africa comes Santa Claus
And in front of Paris stands Mickey Mouse[Chorus]
We're all living in America
America is wonderful
We're all living in America
America, America
We're all living in America
Coca Cola, Wonderbra
We're all living in America
America, America[Bridge]
This is not a love song
This is not a love song
I don't sing my mother tongue
No, this is not a love song
[Chorus]
We're all living in America
America is wonderful
We're all living in America
America, America
We're all living in America
Coca Cola, sometimes war
We're all living in America
America, America
I only knew them at all because a Hexbear or federated user told me about Amerika — that song definitely has a good point. Shame to hear that about the creator.
This thread somehow got me thinking of Moscow Death Brigade and now I feel compelled to post this here: https://youtu.be/d4eqettF5qI
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https://youtu.be/BzdfTtOPVnA
May I introduce you to the more radical and based Atari Teenage Riot?
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