I am not "policing" pronouns, I am just saying that other people should not be expected to use pronouns expressing otherkin identities or whatever other kinds of identities. Gender identity, yes that is a reasonable expectation. The other things, I don't think so.
You're doing that thing where you make up an argument and attack it. Stop it. Xenopronouns are a gender abolitionist thing. Don't talk about shit you know nothing about.
yeah but if we aren't talking about gender it's something completely different. like if a person actually thought they were a fairy, it's not the same thing as what a trans person goes through. they aren't choosing these pronouns it's what they are. a fairy is a magical fantasy being
You are conflating pronouns with gender when especially the nounself neopronouns are being employed beyond gender, to indicate other kinds of identities than gender identities. If you have an Otherkin identity, that is cool, maybe you have a pronoun for it -- but what does it have to with trans and nonbinary? Gender is 100% valid and everyone should be expected to respect gender identity. But if we are talking about something else, like Otherkin identity, I think it's reasonable if not everyone chooses to entertain that.
I would think that whatever gender may mean, it certainly doesn't include other being another species or a fantasy creature. There is some collective understanding of gender that people have: masculine, femininine, and people who feel neither masculine nor feminine. But masuline and feminine are still the two poles, so whatever meaning gender could have would have least have to be at least on the same plane of meaning. The two poles are not dragon and robot. (I am not just being a smartass, there are dragon and robot nounself pronouns listed on the nonbinary wiki.)
I didn't say it was a line, I said it was a plane. I agree that genders have many different expressions. But it's not a total free-for-all, it's not "anything you can imagine, you can say it's a gender, and if other people fail to respect it, they are being transphobic."
You cannot compel people to engage with wildly fantastical notions just because you want to shoehorn it into the form of a "gender". This is dangerously approaching the one joke territory, where "attack helicopter" must be a valid gender since there are no limits anyone may define for another person without being transphobic. If I reject "attack helicopter" could be a valid nonbinary gender for someone, then I am the one being transphobic. You have gender turned on its head to justify coercing people to identify you as some kind of fairy via the opprobrium of transphobia.
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I am not "policing" pronouns, I am just saying that other people should not be expected to use pronouns expressing otherkin identities or whatever other kinds of identities. Gender identity, yes that is a reasonable expectation. The other things, I don't think so.
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are you saying fairy is a gender? it's something that's completely separate, no?
You're doing that thing where you make up an argument and attack it. Stop it. Xenopronouns are a gender abolitionist thing. Don't talk about shit you know nothing about.
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yeah but if we aren't talking about gender it's something completely different. like if a person actually thought they were a fairy, it's not the same thing as what a trans person goes through. they aren't choosing these pronouns it's what they are. a fairy is a magical fantasy being
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yes i know that. did you know if i asked 100 people what a fairy was 99 would tell me it's a magical fantasy being? that's how language works
You are conflating pronouns with gender when especially the nounself neopronouns are being employed beyond gender, to indicate other kinds of identities than gender identities. If you have an Otherkin identity, that is cool, maybe you have a pronoun for it -- but what does it have to with trans and nonbinary? Gender is 100% valid and everyone should be expected to respect gender identity. But if we are talking about something else, like Otherkin identity, I think it's reasonable if not everyone chooses to entertain that.
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I would think that whatever gender may mean, it certainly doesn't include other being another species or a fantasy creature. There is some collective understanding of gender that people have: masculine, femininine, and people who feel neither masculine nor feminine. But masuline and feminine are still the two poles, so whatever meaning gender could have would have least have to be at least on the same plane of meaning. The two poles are not dragon and robot. (I am not just being a smartass, there are dragon and robot nounself pronouns listed on the nonbinary wiki.)
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I didn't say it was a line, I said it was a plane. I agree that genders have many different expressions. But it's not a total free-for-all, it's not "anything you can imagine, you can say it's a gender, and if other people fail to respect it, they are being transphobic."
You cannot compel people to engage with wildly fantastical notions just because you want to shoehorn it into the form of a "gender". This is dangerously approaching the one joke territory, where "attack helicopter" must be a valid gender since there are no limits anyone may define for another person without being transphobic. If I reject "attack helicopter" could be a valid nonbinary gender for someone, then I am the one being transphobic. You have gender turned on its head to justify coercing people to identify you as some kind of fairy via the opprobrium of transphobia.
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