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anarcho-fukayamaism is going to be the death of me
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Desert is ecofash trash and I don't think there is any point or utility in considering its adherents anarchists or leftists.
Also talking about civilization as one thing that happened and not a continual process is bad old colonialist noble savage tosh. No one is civilized or uncivilized, it's a ridiculous made up distinction created by imperialists so they could kill and enslave people without feeling bad about it.
You can talk about hierarchies, you can talk about societies with complex stratified social organization vs flat, low complexity organization, you can talk about the environmental impact of different economic and land use systems.
But once you start whining about civilization you're in 1920s French Anthropology territory and that's real fucking bad neighborhood.
"Yes, there's nothing more anarchist than refusing to fight the system."I hope most anarchists are smart enough not to fall for this shit.
I hope most anarchists are smart enough not to fall for this shit.
Not the "no veggies for dinner, no bedtimes" ones.
There are plenty of good anarchists among our ranks here, comrade.
Yes, and they are not the ones that get petulantly absolutist about "no rules of any kind anywhere ever ever don't tell me what to DOOOOOOOOOOO."
This shit was kind of the rage in punk scene circa 2005-2025 in punk/anarchist/better-read-hippy scenes. Still lingers around a bit. "Post-Left" was a popular title, but you also got some other titles, each of which has a very well edited Wikipedia page. Crimethinc. was a trendy publishing collective, with admittedly very good graphic design, based around distributing material about this stuff.
The whole thesis seems to be that "mass society", i.e. any social order encompassing more than like 500 people, is inherently alienating, and so larger organized revolution is a folly since it would just will reproduce that mass society. The end goal is almost like a cultural-primitivism, where you just try to live on the fringe will a small cohort of close friends, like a band of rogues from a cheesy fantasy novel. The closest thing I've seen to someone trying to be revolutionary with type of organizing is some anarchist groups in Southern Europe (mostly Greece) that seem to just function as "Public Enemies" style heist gangs who rob banks, live underground, and do some Robin-Hood-esk redistribution.
I used to find these ideas a bit romantic in my younger years, but with age I now see it as cooperative form of right ring doomsday prepping. Instead of a bunker full of beans waiting for you when the system collapses you have a gang of weirdos to go form a tribe with. Maybe slightly more healthier than the right wing version but still not great.
Fucking last punk shoe I went to this dude I sorts knew who was on the outskirts was telling me about this stupid baphomet necklace he was wearing and bought off Amazon cause he saw Kawakami wearing something similar in picture. The whole thing that was my life from 13 to 30 and slowly had been eroding died right there to me. I didnt sign up for acting like a weeb for the dbeat raw punk superhero, another cheap product for the consumers head. Creating an underground DIY network and only using it so bands can tour and not make anything for the effort cause for so.e reason breaking or spending your own money to entertain people is what's expected. Juvenile
I'm stenchcore scum through and through but that's cause I thought it meant anything. I do weird harsh noise project with another disillusioned crusty who's 12 years older than me and was a homeless addixt for 20, the internet had flattened it a out, no one gets that eventually some people need to take up booking touring bands, finding venues and stuff and it's been a real hard torch to pass. To me punk is something you do, not something you consume, older punks need to get jobs and stuff eventually, we can't be the the DIY daycare forever
Crustie who emerged from that time and fought tooth and nail against it, I hate it. Also punks just kinda suck in general. I'm a burnt out love punk hate punks guy. The lyrics of a weird creep, the people who lived on his compound and the kids he entinced are no basis for political thought *lookin at you penny rimbaud
It’s a special kind of Anarchist who take this attitude and they’re all over NYC. Like the aesthetic while being radlibs at the end of the day. I have a lot of disagreements with anarchists but you can tell which ones are the real thing and which ones just give themselves the title to be politically edgy.
Only anarchist I knew irl was based.
Obviously, we disagree, but he was doing direct action and agitation every week, and revolution was of course on the table. Thoroughly anti imperialist. None of this anarcho nato shit
Time for a wacky Ocean's Eleven-style heist to steal it back
Let me know how that goes
Just hit em with the "may I have your name?", certified unseelie classic
They use "civilization" as a pejorative?
Let me guess in their fantasy conception of a post-revolution world capitalism somehow still exists but it's called the "Market" or some shit
Let me guess in their fantasy conception of a post-revolution world capitalism somehow still exists but it's called the "Market" or some shit
I've had exhausting arguments offline with a self-described "agorist" before. Unless that "agorist" was a poor representative, apparently "agorism" is exactly that.
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It looks the same as voluntarism, anarcho capitalism, and other American libertarian nonsense.
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The "agorist" I argued with offline for at least an hour at my old local bookstore insisted over and over again that he in no way was into Ayn Rand, but wanted nothing different than Ayn Rand except a presumed different outcome with the same policies.
I suppose to the "agorist's" credit Ayn Rand believed that pretty much everyone in society would stop and listen to an exhausting and repetitive speech from a malignant narcissist that went on for a sizable chunk of that shitty book and that the ultra-rich were actually the smartest and bestest at everything instead of just rent-seeking dynastic failsons and faildaughters, so the outcomes that Ayn Rand fantasized about (that also required magic metal and perpetual motion machines)! were bullshit from the start.
The "agorist" just imagined a different fantasy with the same ruinous sociopolitical structure where everyone happily and merrily trades everything with no regulations and no societal rules except "have fun trading."
Most of the back and forth I had with him was trying to pin him down and asking him over and over again to stop being so wormy and just accept that he effectively wanted everything that ancaps want. He just didn't want to accept the inevitable consequences of "agorism" as he had described it, instead saying that slavery and trafficking children and such would simply not happen because... people would "freely" choose not to do that.
No, in my experience post-civ types are not ancaps. More like a coalition of doomers, ecofash, and egoists all sitting on their thumbs waiting for the world to collapse into anarcho-communist communes, but refusing to call it that.
You see true revolutionaries are both not for revolution, and are also against reform
"Nothing ever happens"
have a very stubborn "End of History" variety, too.massive income inequality, political polarization, elite division, popular unrest, reckless foreign adventures, falling trust in public institutions, nationwide riots, domestic terrorism, attempted assassinations, weapons everywhere
I mean, I can't give any guarantees but as a scholar of history I notice some patterns. Ain't like violence is decreasing in the rest of the world either, society is more unstable than it has been in decades, and things are just getting started with climate change. If you think like this stop dooming and study
Just because you dont think it'll happen in your lifetime doesn't mean you shouldn't work towards it you selfish prick. In April 1917 Lenin was saying he didn't think he'd live to see the rev. Lay liberal scum.
