Facemasks and social distancing will be needed until next summer, the head of Oxford's vaccine trial team said last night.
Andrew Pollard warned strict rules would have to be followed even if global tests proved successful. He said the first jabs would probably not be available until next year – and then only for key groups such as frontline health workers.
Professor Pollard said that he hoped the final trials could be completed by the end of this year but added: 'Life won't be back to normal until summer at the earliest. We may need masks until July.
If we end up with a vaccine that's effective in preventing the disease, that is by far the best way to control the virus. But in the medium term, we'll still need better treatments. When does life get back to normal? Even if we had enough vaccine for everyone, in my view it's unlikely that we're going to very rapidly be in a position where the physical distancing rules can be just dropped.
'Until we've got a high level of immunity in the population so that we can stop the virus so most vulnerable people are immune, there is going to be a risk. Initially, we're going to be in a position where mask-wearing and social distancing don't change.
'Only when there is a big drop in serious cases will governments feel able to relax these measures. This is a very easily transmissible virus.'
The Oxford University vaccine, produced with drugs giant Astrazeneca, is one of only nine to have reached phase three trials, the final stage before implementation, and is widely seen as the leading candidate to deliver.
In his remarks to an online seminar with Oxford alumni, Professor Pollard explained that, if successful, the vaccine will need approval from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency.
He said: 'Once we have the trial results, I can't imagine they will do that overnight.
'They will have to scrutinise the data very carefully – the public would not expect any less.'
The final evaluation, he said, is likely to take weeks, even though he and his team have begun a 'rolling programme' to give the regulatory agency access to the trials while in progress.
Rolling out the vaccine will pose a 'huge logistical challenge', the professor pointed out.
In his remarks to an online seminar with Oxford alumni, Professor Pollard explained that, if successful, the vaccine will need approval from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency.
He said: 'Once we have the trial results, I can't imagine they will do that overnight.
'They will have to scrutinise the data very carefully – the public would not expect any less.'
The final evaluation, he said, is likely to take weeks, even though he and his team have begun a 'rolling programme' to give the regulatory agency access to the trials while in progress.
Rolling out the vaccine will pose a 'huge logistical challenge', the professor pointed out.
Oxford's vaccine is based on a genetically engineered type of coronavirus that gives chimpanzees a form of the common cold.
Trials of the jab involve 20,000 volunteers in Britain and other countries being given either the vaccine or a harmless placebo.
Professor Pollard said early results had shown that the vaccine causes the body to make antibodies against Covid, and that these last for at least three months.
Tests on volunteers given the jab in April will soon show whether they lasted for six months. 'The evidence so far in the lab is that the antibodies are able to stop the virus in its tracks,' said Professor Pollard.
At least one person in the trial has become seriously ill, and has had to be hospitalised with the disease, he added.
Kate Bingham, head of the UK Vaccine Taskforce, said there was only a 'slim' chance the Oxford jab could be ready by Christmas.
She said she felt optimistic from the data seen so far in trials. But she warned against assuming a Covid-19 vaccine would be better than flu jabs, which are only around 50 per cent effective.
'It's most likely that it'll be next year,' she added.
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You mean the AUTHORITARIAN COMMUNIST lockdown that proves chinabad? Good thing this is AMERICA and we have the freedom to keep getting sick for years on end.
Not even that, Vietnam managed to do it as well, hell even for "western" states New Zealand got it right. It's just the pure arrogance of Anglo countries (and Sweden) thinking they're the best ™️ and that nothing can go wrong and their way is the best™️ no matter the objective truth being otherwise
Maybe one of the biggest obstacles those of us in Anglo countries who want to bring about change face is this attitude, towards everything. I can argue about how every other rich or just moderately rich country has universal health care and how it works even better and is cheaper... but people just sorta refuse to believe anything can be better than how we do it in America.
I mean I get this my country had to learn the hard way. My country has had a total of 46 000 excess deaths, but now excess death levels are back to normal now, due to mask wearing and opening up late. So at least they learned, even if it was the hard way. I can only hope that something similar happens in the west, that people will learn. At the same time all the propaganda about how masks are bad™️ is definitely not helping, and the refusal of governments and corporate entities to crack down on it is horrifying.
I was watching the NZ vs AUS rugby match last Saturday night. It was shocking to see a stadium full of people standing should to shoulder and not a mask in sight. The problem I have with comparisons between the US and NZ is that is apples to oranges. NZ has an equivalent population, land mass, and population density to Colorado. They also have 100% maritime borders which makes containment significantly easier.
If Vietnam can eradicate covid, which is a country bordering China, with a high population density, and also much poorer than other countries, any western country can. They could literally just copy aspects of Vietnam's plan, it's not like it's a huge secret or something. It's just that there's a lack of will to do so, for whatever reason
How did Vietnam do so well? You hear obviously about the stuff that went down in China but I haven’t heard much about Vietnam tbh
They literally shut everything down and told everyone to stay inside except for a few people who were tested regularly who brought food to everyone else. The shut down lasted less than a month, and they were back to normal. They also were very strict about letting people in afterwards. If the whole planet did the same thing they did, the virus would have been dealt with by the end of March.
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Fair point
I wouldn’t use New Zealand as an example it’s way easier to keep a virus out of an isolated island country with a small population.
This shit has nothing to do with population density or travel.
New Zealand did what Vietnam did, what Korea did, what Japan did, what China did.
An aggressive fucking lockdown, early, a mask mandate, thorough contact tracing, targeted and mass testing (easy and free), and took care of people that had to stay home.
It wasn't complicated, it's just basic pandemic science. And being an island doesn't fucking help. Ask the UK. Speaking of which, that's where New Zealand got its recent cases from, idiotic fucking Anglos who traveled while they were sick because they didn't want to cancel their vacation. And New Zealand went back into lockdown after just those cases!
Other countries fucked this up, badly.
The US had every advantage going for it, and we still fucked it up. And our lockdown was working, until they realized paying people to stay home meant it was impossible to force them to come back to work while the pandemic was ongoing, and the line demanded they return.
It is 100% policy based. Geography doesn't have shit to do with it.
Korea and Japan really never did an aggressive lockdown like China though. I mean they implemented social distancing and restrictions on crowds and closed schools but most business stayed open. The key to those countries was the testing, tracing, and isolation systems they put in place.
Japan’s testing and isolation was ass.
It’s honestly an enigma how it did as well as it did. Mask wearing, maybe? Or maybe just faking the numbers.
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ngl abe/suga definitely fudged the numbers. theyre still not even that great imo, just the huge fuckup by the anglosphere/eu makes it look good in comparison. the ldp was practically frothing at the mouth to make sure the olympics happened.
There are theories that they might have some cross immunity from other viruses but in this age I’m not sure why they would have them and the average person in the US or EU wouldn’t
new zealand never had a mask mandate except on public transport and even then only in auckland. from talking with my friends back there, no one was really social distancing hugely anyway - new zealand was very lucky. like just before auckland went into lockdown 2 electric boogaloo people were crowding over the fucking beaches bro, anglo brainworms are too strong.
Is South Korea good comparison? It's a densely populated neolib hellhole and they manage to contain the virus pretty well.
I think you can also call it an island nation. It is bordered entirely by sea except for the DPRK which you can disregard for any significant travel.
Yeah that’s a good point, the only way in/out of South Korea is via a select few (like 2-3) airports.
Yeah probably. Any EU country or the US could have done what they did.
Island regions generally speaking have fared well. British Columbia recently clocked in at having the most infections per capita in Canada but almost all the infections are on the mainland. Vancouver Island measures new cases in single digits and has had only 235 confirmed cases total all year.
Interesting how the entire Anglo-American system has been put on trial this year: the UK, the US, India, Brazil (under a pro-Yankee auth-lib regime) are all doing the worst by far.
I feel like even if you are a liberal, this year shows the modern superiority of socdem centralism a la Japan/RoK/Germany. Most Americans won’t learn anything though.
It's either fake or it's all the orange man's fault, this is the extent of the American analysis.
No, it is also China's fault. In many cases it is also fake + being China's fault.
Yes "fake" and "china's fault" are the same, somehow.
thesis: fake
antithesis: chinas fault
synthesis: chinas faults are fake
Logic 101. There is no way around this.
and if it's not china's fault, it's russia's somehow.
I mean Russia is the country that's actually doing the coverup in terms of numbers that people think China is doing. It's actually hilarious that the libs haven't figured this out out yet and incorporated it into russiagate somehow, everyone is still screaming about China while there are actual coverups elsewhere
Kettle logic
Japan is a strange case I think. They have a really good contact and trace system and excellent health care but they really don’t have many restrictions yeah? Idk I remember following some of the people who had to go to hospital in Japan from that cruise ship and I was super jealous, from the care they got down to even the food everything was top notch.
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I give people the side eye when I see them wearing their mask wrong does that count?
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The most neolib EU countries aren't doing well either
talked to my mom (who used to live in a communist regime but is conservative now) about china shutting down and coronavirus petering out there and she was like 'yeah im sure theyre lying about all of it!' and 'its so horrible that they forced everyone inside for a month!'
smh my grandparents are way cooler and think shes an idiot
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China had a good response later but keep in mind at the start of all this, like in late 2019 they had their own fuckups. It seems clear to me the local leadership in Wuhan had no idea what the fuck it was doing and was in way over their heads. I don't care if it was a new virus no way they should have let it get to the point where their hospitals were collapsing and lockdown of the entire city was the only option. It wasn't until the response and help from Beijing did they really get things under control.
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but line go down
I'm not confident of that, covid has come back pretty aggressively in some places that had mostly gotten rid of it.