seems like we only have ~10 years to deal with climate change. also seems like joe biden is gonna get the nom. What the fuck do we do in these next few years given that the dems are not remotely interested in dealing with climate change in any real way?

  • krothotkin [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Balkanization, though often treated as more a meme than a viable political strategy, is a legitimate approach that the left should consider.

    Think about crazy, irrational Qultists or MAGA zealots. These people are completely insane. They are also potential allies in the push for balkanization. Someone in one of those crowds is not interested in facts or consequences. For them, politics is an extension of faith, hatred, and pleasure. Adrenochrome and mole children and microchips are real because them being real feels good. Hillary is going to be tried and executed because they hate her and revenge on people you hate feels good.

    You know what else feels good to this crowd? Excluding perceived undesirables. Improving the purity of your country. Sell these people a narrative about why letting places they've already been taught to hate secede is patriotic, holy, based, a return to tradition, a middle finger to the deep state, a way to make America great again. Conservatives have spent the past four years enjoying a dominance built on the support of a population that will respond to this kind of messaging. A sufficiently convincing campaign may leave conservatives no choice but to provide political assistance to a secession attempt.

    Breaking up the US reduces the power of the federal government and could be a first step towards building something better.

      • krothotkin [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Very good points. I wish I had a good answer to the criticism that this kind of narrative is dangerous for people who are left behind in American territory, but I don't have anything to offer, because you're right.

        As for the food issue, maybe the lesson is that balkanization needs to start in an area where agriculture is a possibility. The People's Republic of New York sounds fun until everybody is starving because of sanctions.

      • crime [she/her, any]
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        4 years ago

        A lot of the nations food is produced in California but yeah the highway system will be a choke point regardless of if California secedes in one piece (eg if the rural parts of the state stick with the urban parts) or if somehow the east and west coasts have some sort of alliance in the hypothetical Balkanization map