seems like we only have ~10 years to deal with climate change. also seems like joe biden is gonna get the nom. What the fuck do we do in these next few years given that the dems are not remotely interested in dealing with climate change in any real way?

  • Skinhn [they/them,any]
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    4 years ago

    China produces 35 percent of global emissions and is a growing renewables powerhouse, so hope for the best for the CCP and hope they deliver on their plans?

    Naomi Klein has a decent short book on the use of renewables in Haiti IIRC, and how useful they are for community organising during climate and natural disaster disruptions.

    • mrbigcheese [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      china is a developing country. their per capita emissions are close to New Zealand. Ours is more than double. the us poses the single greatest threat to world stability and a proper response to the climate crisis and has contributed more co2 emissions over the past century than the next 3 countries combined (china, russia, germany). china might do the right plan for their country and help the region but the us will continue to be an impediment to a global response

      • Skinhn [they/them,any]
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        4 years ago

        On a per capita basis sure, overall I think the US contributes the second largest amount of emissions at about 10 percent.

        While the US is a lost cause, Chinese dominance in renewables will bring costs down and result in American capitalists pursuing that instead.

          • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            The free market solution to fighting climate change is direct action involving the mass destruction of oil and gas pipelines and their accompanied fracking rigs.

          • Skinhn [they/them,any]
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            4 years ago

            Yes I agree that envirocapitalism narrative is absolutely shit and inappropriate - I'm a bit of a climate sooner with respect to Western developed countries doing anything particularly useful of their own accord

          • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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            4 years ago

            because I feel like Americans and US industry would dig their heels in and double down on coal, natural gas, and petroleum.

            Coal is dying anyways, no one wants to invest in it

      • culdrought [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        NZ isn't a good benchmark. We have very high emissions per capita due to our low population count and large agricultural industry.

        • mrbigcheese [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Its comparatively higher to other developed countries yeah but countries like the us, canada, and australia are more than double. Mexico for example has half the per capita emissions of China. My only point is that in terms of the scope of the response most other developed countries have a need for a much more drastic action than China to get their emissions down. The only reason people focus on China is because they're the largest so their response has a bigger impact.