Hello users of Hexbear, we wanted to inform you that we are going to be locking the_dunk_tank and dredge_tank communities. We have created two new communities /c/gossip and /c/counterpropaganda to serve a similar but clearly distinct purpose than the dunk/dredge tanks.
Not only is the dunk tank a term that has racist origins, but also many posts there were almost no effort and often times requiring later edits to show how they weren't reactionary, not useful with regard to developing rhetoric and furthering dialectical analysis of that which we dunk upon.
To that end, we wish posts of reactionaries to be placed in !counterpropaganda@hexbear.net along with an accompanying explanation (as simple or complex as desired) with the intent of countering the reactionary propaganda in the post body, as of now comments are not subject to the same rhetorical rigor rule.
For the posts that are not "low-hanging fruit' of notable people we ask that you use !gossip@hexbear.net .
These changes are mainly part of a continued effort to remove the racist and misogynistic elements from our community and grow.
Any moderators of the dunk tank or dredge tank that want to be a mod in the new communities let me know.
Any users with questions or comments please use this post, this change was made at the behest of the entire Hexbear mod and admin team. We will be looking for more moderators in an organized volunteer drive shortly, if you wish to submit an application you may send it to me via hexbear or matrix direct messages.
Use this post as a place for discussion to these changes. We will keep things as they are for 2 weeks and then reflect on the feedback, including this post: https://hexbear.net/post/3858346
As a personal addendum I am sorry if the closing of the tanks these changes removes a beloved space on the site and if you want to suggest a community to replace them you may do so at !commrequest@hexbear.net or submit a mod application to take a more active role in shaping the site.
Sitewide or community changes come from proposals put forth from the mod team, discussed, and voted on by the mod team.
Any users wanting to suggest a community to replace the tanks, may do so at !commrequest@hexbear.net current discussion is here https://hexbear.net/post/3858346 or submit a mod application to take a more active role in shaping the site.
You may also consider using !shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml as a substitute for dunk/dredge tank posts as well
The mod statement can be found here: https://hexbear.net/comment/5613033
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I think sometimes it teetered on overzealous and missed the core point, IMO. The rules changes aren't eliminating dunking, just steering it IMO in a better direction. I am reading everyone's thoughts, as of now I am for these changes.
Sure, people do have a tendency to preemptively deploy ppb, but that isn't really related to the dunk tank. Rather the opposite in my experience. The dunk tank was where people put in a bit more effort to go thru why something was stupid.
Then not much should change, other than the problematic name.
I am responding to this
Not the broader thread
My comment was in reference to the replaced communities themselves, not just general reactions directly with reactionaries.
Yeah, so it was about the practice of dunking, right?
In the context of the previous comms. The changes seem to mean what would have been dunk material requires debunking in the body of the post, other than that not much has changed. The gossip posts aren't held to the same standards, so they largely become similar to what was the dunk tank.
I'm not convinced that this is as big a change as some people think it is yet.
Thank you for clearing that up! But then what do you consider dunking to be? Because that is what most of the posts in the dunk tank contained. I'm confused.
In my opinion, there's a difference between dunking and debunking, the former being "look at this stupid shit" and the latter being "look at this stupid shit, here is why it's stupid." Requiring at least the OP to write a couple sentences taking it down helps maintain some form of consistency, it doesn't need to be an effortpost every time.
Gossip doesn't have the same requirements, so for a quick laugh it seems to be fine and fulfill a combined "dunk/dredge" comm which solves the issue of overlap.
Basically, the issues were overlap and lacking an enforced space for effort debunking, and this could solve that.
I think it's a good change, but I'm not opposed to keeping it as is and changing the names either.