Thought this was really insightful, and from a different angle than what i usually see as the rascist connotations of "tankie" and of western left anti-communism, and thought it deserved its own thread. Particularly, since the influx of western anti-cummunist takes we've been dealing with recently.
I saw you reported this with the reason: Hexbear. Do you know where you are or who you are reporting this to?.
Wait for real????
reporting Hexbears for posting on Hexbear!The internet equivalent of Karens calling the cops on black people having a BBQ in the park.
Except when they do that the cops don't show up and ridicule them instead of arresting said black people.
Mods calling out nonsense reports is amazing and I hope it never stops
Now normally I think posting about reports is in bad form as they should be private to an extent but this was just too funny not to share.
The worst thing is that with how federation works, they're just creating more work for their own instances mods with bs reports, as they see them too. Poor mods at the programming Lemmy wondering wtf is going on here lol.
Please don't meme oppenheimer scenes I don't want to watch it
This is a good fucking take and plays into the point I keep making of the nationalist/internationalist issue surrounding this mess. It definitely has a nationalist component I'm completely with @axont@hexbear.net on this.
Yeah I've been trying to see the term "tankie" as an obfuscated way of saying "traitor" recently. It's not a word that applies to people actually from socialist countries most of the time, it's what someone from the imperial core gets called if they express admiration for the scary foreign places.
Also hello everyone! Sorry I'm not used to attention like this thread lol
I'd appreciate being called a traitor straight up so I can respond
Tankie is just the new authoritarian, redfash or Stalinist. I think being called a patsoc is probably going to replace it sooner rather than later.
Tankie itself is decades old. It was initially used by British Trotskyites to refer to other British communists who were in favor of the USSR using tanks to quell the 1956 Hungarian uprising.
Personally I think tankie will just get replaced with being called a communist/commie/pinko again. I think we only have a few more years until western liberals realize they're not actually socialists and begin outright identifying as willing capitalist subjects on the side of imperialism.
Being called a communist will carry with it the implication that you're a traitor to western civilization or whatever. The nationalist brainwork will become explicit rather than hidden under layers.
Derogatory political terms don't like having nuance. Tankie is currently too nuanced. It's used to mean "I'm a socialist but not like those scary, other socialists who like bad countries like China." Derogatory political terms just want to mean "bad thing"
This is a better elaboration on that post I made on that 196 thread that got removed and I presume kicked off this whole discussion.
It really feels like collectively we're heading towards a solution to this, bit by bit.
I wear tankie as a badge of honor honestly. If someone calls me a tankie it's usually because they're already owned and they've run out of steam. They call me a tankie because they've already lost. It's at that moment that they think they've taken back the upper hand but it's all a ruse. They fell for it. They left themselves open. And that's when you hit em with the
Tankie is when you feed homeless people vegan food and throw Christmas ornaments filled with sand, paint, and paint thinner at pigs. Not-tankie is when you watch a Twitch stream of a pedo and vote every two years.
Is it evolving?
I don't think it's evolved much if at all. They started using it to refer to MLs to do anticommunism and then they muddied the water of its anticommunist intentions by using it on anyone that says anything left of liberal. It is still strictly an anticommunist tool deployed to harm MLs though.
Its deployment is solely focused on anything that transcends the nationalist barrier. You can be anticapitalist as long as you're a nationalist because your nationalism will result in your opposition to China and to all countries labelled as "authoritarian". In essence, the nationalism people hold results in these people conforming to the propaganda of western states. Anyone who is an internationalist though? They're a tankie. Because once they cross that line from nationalism to internationalism they become far harder for the western state propaganda to reach.
The goal is to make the new wave of anticapitalist baby-leftists into national chauvinists, maintaining the state's grip on them through media propaganda and thus the west's foreign policy remains protected. They don't give a fuck about their anticapitalist intentions if they're solely nationalist because they can control them due to the bourgeoise-state.
What they're afraid of is a mass awakening in terms of internationalism.
The goal is to make the new wave of anticapitalist baby-leftists into national chauvinists, maintaining the state's grip on them through media propaganda and thus the west's foreign policy remains protected.
"National socialists," you might say
Tankie doesn't actually mean anything, the term has lost all meaning. Anyone who doesn't think that NATO is good, or should wage war on Russia or China is a tankie. Even non-socialist pro-peace people are accused of being tankies
There are already racialized versions of political slurs for Chinese and Russians. Anyone who professes a positive opinion of China, no matter how true or mild, is a "Wumao" and the same for Russia is a "Vatnik".
Both can also be "bots" because no human could ever think well of those places. Also probably projection for the fact that much of this sentiment is probably coming from a huge US astroturfing operation operating out of Elgin Airforce Base.
I'm sick of lemmy.world trying to act like they understand a global picture of the world. Fucking brainwash runs deep
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Way too many times I've been talking with someone who called me a tankie, and I ask them why it seems like China and Vietnam have such high approval for their respective states. That's when it starts coming out. They'll say communism is just a better fit for their culture, or that the people there are more easily brainwashed, or that the approval ratings are all lies. It's so racist and disgusting. ^ 7
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axont [any,they/them] &3 7 • / 7 hours ago The only common thread I've noticed is that it always refers to an imperial core person admiring something foreign. You're somehow not a tankie if you're actually from China and you're a Marxist- Leninist. In that case you're just an authoritarian. But if you're from Canada and you say nice things about China? Then you're a tankie. There's some kind of nationalist brainworm built into the term. There's some kind of conception that foreigners just do socialism incorrectly, but white people can do it properly through...I don't know, voting every 4 years, or begging for it nicely or making a utopian settlement in the woods. But if you're a white person who wants revolutionary socialism, you've allowed scary foreign devils to pollute your mind and you're a tankie now. Telling liberals that being a "tankie" is the overwhelmingly most normal position for communists worldwide shortcircuits their brains. They can only conceive of three types of communists: Idiot white teenagers from imperialist countries, cynical dictators, and brainwashed foreigners who can't think properly because they're foreign.
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Hexbear bout to turn into a Hostess factory if the vanguard doesnt come quick
Don't forget shelf stable and radiation resistant!
You're thinking of tank bottoms, slightly different
I'm really particular about arm-hole size in tank tops, personally. Not into these giant holes that are fashionable nowadays.
Excuse me, I believe the preferred nomenclature is "People of Tank".
Unfortunately, the venn diagram of internet armored vehicle enjoyers and NAFO idiots is basically a circle.
Depends on how many obnoxious Royal Navy stans you're prepared to deal with.
