Are we allowed to say the names this person uses as more permanent accounts? It seems to me that if it is obvious who this person is, we shouldn't be shy about "naming and shaming." But maybe it's not obvious?
I'll just come out and ask. Is this person who keeps making the debatebro*@thelemmy.club accounts to say cringe wrecker shit and then promptly getting banned the same person who goes by u/HelltakerHomosexual ? The latter being a mod of several comms here? And is HelltakerHomosexual the same person as u/Catradora_Stalinism who was repeatedly temp and permabanned but given warnings and unbanned, then finally truly permanently banned because they simply couldn't stop wrecking, provoking fights, and being vehemently anti-vegan? IF that is the case, then it's clear she still can't stop wrecking.
Tagging @booty@hexbear.net and @REgon@hexbear.net since they were insinuating that at least some of the above was true in comments on the post that's locked now. On the one hand, I realize this is treading dangerously near to drama posting, but I honestly want to know if a past permabanned known wrecker is still an active part of the community and if they are still in fact wrecking like they were before when they got banned. That's not about drama, and It seems like a fair thing for the community as a whole to know.
Ok, that's kind of what I figured was the case, but it felt like some people were hinting that it was confirmed. But let me get this part straight. It is confirmed and known that HelltakerHomosexual is Catradora_Stalinism? I'm all for giving people second, even third and forth chances but it seems like someone who had been given those multiple chances already and still proved they couldn't stop wrecking (Catradora) then they shouldn't be able to come back and be given the power of being a moderator.
i can't offer you hard evidence or anything, but since neither of us has the power to do anything here i think it's fine to just trust what your eyes are showing you
in my personal opinion it is extremely obvious who it is based on the position they're taking and the way they're taking it. the mannerisms match as well as they can in a purely textual medium.
if i'm* wrong then so be it. but it's been my suspicion since this debacle started and i have only grown further convinced with time.
*obviously i am far from the only person to say as much; just making it clear i only speak for me here
Understood, and for what it's worth, I fully agree with your assessment. Part of what I was trying to find out was if it was known by other mods that they gave moderatorship to someone who had been permabanned from the site for wrecking. But it looks like that's unknown and just speculation like the other parts at this point, even if it is highly reasonable and well grounded speculation.
i suspect it would be possible to find out (or at least build a compelling case) if you were sufficiently dedicated but to be completely honest i would simply rather confront the issue outright based on the suspicion rather than skulk around attempting to put together a timeline replete with citations et al. the mods will either be honest or they won't. if they refuse to level with us about something like "one of our moderators has been up all night harassing everyone in sight" then imo we have a significantly worse problem on our hands than we would if the issue were only that the mod team placed their trust in the wrong individual (or perhaps prioritized friendship over the health of the site, etc whatever the reason may have been).
i think choosing to protect this individual from this point on is only going to cause further harm to the site, regardless of how we got here or who knew what and when.
I 100% agree. I have no interest personally in dedicating myself to finding out the truth of these things using timelines and corkboards with strings and pins, I just thought it might be a situation where it was an open secret where the truth was already known just not spoken of, since all of this has been news to me. But I have a better understanding of the situation now, so thanks.
Whatever the case, like you I would sure as hell hope that one of the things to come out of this whole debacle would be a reassessment of whether this certain individual should remain a mod or if they should even be re-permabanned, because this is intolerable behavior. A broader reassessment about who should have mod powers in general might be in order too, even if all of this is just a tangent to the "low effort dunk post" issue that kicked this off.
Nah I was straight up saying they'r the same person. It's pretty obvious. The only thing that made me in doubt was some weird timing with the dipshit who's modding a comm he doesn't like.
It's pretty clear there's a good group of people who know who it is too, so wish they'd do something about that or do some self crit and consider what "toxic debatebro culture" entails (hint: it's not enjoying a comm you dislike)
Are we allowed to say the names this person uses as more permanent accounts? It seems to me that if it is obvious who this person is, we shouldn't be shy about "naming and shaming." But maybe it's not obvious?
I'll just come out and ask. Is this person who keeps making the debatebro*@thelemmy.club accounts to say cringe wrecker shit and then promptly getting banned the same person who goes by u/HelltakerHomosexual ? The latter being a mod of several comms here? And is HelltakerHomosexual the same person as u/Catradora_Stalinism who was repeatedly temp and permabanned but given warnings and unbanned, then finally truly permanently banned because they simply couldn't stop wrecking, provoking fights, and being vehemently anti-vegan? IF that is the case, then it's clear she still can't stop wrecking.
Tagging @booty@hexbear.net and @REgon@hexbear.net since they were insinuating that at least some of the above was true in comments on the post that's locked now. On the one hand, I realize this is treading dangerously near to drama posting, but I honestly want to know if a past permabanned known wrecker is still an active part of the community and if they are still in fact wrecking like they were before when they got banned. That's not about drama, and It seems like a fair thing for the community as a whole to know.
it's either catradora/helltaker or someone who is emulating the same writing style in order to stoke the fires
i sincerely doubt it's the latter but it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility, i suppose
Ok, that's kind of what I figured was the case, but it felt like some people were hinting that it was confirmed. But let me get this part straight. It is confirmed and known that HelltakerHomosexual is Catradora_Stalinism? I'm all for giving people second, even third and forth chances but it seems like someone who had been given those multiple chances already and still proved they couldn't stop wrecking (Catradora) then they shouldn't be able to come back and be given the power of being a moderator.
i can't offer you hard evidence or anything, but since neither of us has the power to do anything here i think it's fine to just trust what your eyes are showing you
in my personal opinion it is extremely obvious who it is based on the position they're taking and the way they're taking it. the mannerisms match as well as they can in a purely textual medium.
if i'm* wrong then so be it. but it's been my suspicion since this debacle started and i have only grown further convinced with time.
*obviously i am far from the only person to say as much; just making it clear i only speak for me here
Understood, and for what it's worth, I fully agree with your assessment. Part of what I was trying to find out was if it was known by other mods that they gave moderatorship to someone who had been permabanned from the site for wrecking. But it looks like that's unknown and just speculation like the other parts at this point, even if it is highly reasonable and well grounded speculation.
i suspect it would be possible to find out (or at least build a compelling case) if you were sufficiently dedicated but to be completely honest i would simply rather confront the issue outright based on the suspicion rather than skulk around attempting to put together a timeline replete with citations et al. the mods will either be honest or they won't. if they refuse to level with us about something like "one of our moderators has been up all night harassing everyone in sight" then imo we have a significantly worse problem on our hands than we would if the issue were only that the mod team placed their trust in the wrong individual (or perhaps prioritized friendship over the health of the site, etc whatever the reason may have been).
i think choosing to protect this individual from this point on is only going to cause further harm to the site, regardless of how we got here or who knew what and when.
I 100% agree. I have no interest personally in dedicating myself to finding out the truth of these things using timelines and corkboards with strings and pins, I just thought it might be a situation where it was an open secret where the truth was already known just not spoken of, since all of this has been news to me. But I have a better understanding of the situation now, so thanks.
Whatever the case, like you I would sure as hell hope that one of the things to come out of this whole debacle would be a reassessment of whether this certain individual should remain a mod or if they should even be re-permabanned, because this is intolerable behavior. A broader reassessment about who should have mod powers in general might be in order too, even if all of this is just a tangent to the "low effort dunk post" issue that kicked this off.
Nah I was straight up saying they'r the same person. It's pretty obvious. The only thing that made me in doubt was some weird timing with the dipshit who's modding a comm he doesn't like.
It's pretty clear there's a good group of people who know who it is too, so wish they'd do something about that or do some self crit and consider what "toxic debatebro culture" entails (hint: it's not enjoying a comm you dislike)