Maybe my favourite book series! Intelligent dialogue dealing with consequences of even minor decisions. The hierarchy is criticised constantly, shown for being trivial, hypocritical and based almost entirely in violence and threats based on strength in numbers (implied and real).

I can't choose a favourite character or arc, but I really love ADWD for really elaborating on and setting up new goals for stories that had more or else finished their first act.

I also enjoy that while GRRM indulges in 'pure evil' characters such as Joffrey, The Mountain, Ramsay and Euron (Read that TWOW preview chapter- it's Godly!) he still establishes that most people commit horrific acts while being actual complex people in a shit system (Theon, Jamie, Stannis).

Main two characters also should be noted are a staunch abolitionist (Dany) and a man who sacrifices himself for refugees who he successfully migrated (Jon). Considering the ramifications they both faced for their decisions they both managed to be awesome, intelligent and compassionate, despite the consistently horrific implications and threats.

What are your favourite characters, arcs, worldbuilding or quotes? Any real life political figures you'd like to compare to ASOIAF characters?

  • Provastian_Jackson [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I'm a book nerd and I'm trying to avoid show spoilers for the next 8 years, so I'm not going to read any of the comments but you and me can talk.

    I love the little bits of flair. The book derives a lot of its character from small things.

    Like the point of a scene is two character forming a pact, but it takes place over a dinner table. So he describes the actual menu items "buttered pease, chopped nuts, and slivers of swan poached in a sauce of saffron and peaches". A saffron and peach sauce. Fucking awesome.

    And they won't talk about 'storming' the castle. They'll talk about 'investing' it.

    I'm mad that they made a spoiler into a meme. The image macro of dany burning storm's landing. Why would people do this?

    edit: king's landing, not storms landing

      • Provastian_Jackson [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I avoid the show as much as possible but word gets around. I know the finale was a complete abortion for example. The books take such a long time that I'm not even anticipating them anymore. So I have an itch to watch the show just to see how badly it ends up. I watched the first season or two because it came out way later. It was very cool.

        That's the thing about taking so long between books. I kind of forget that I care.

          • threshold [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            S5-6 have some amazing stuff mixed in with confusing gear. Also last times GRRM material is adapted. S7 if you're dedicated or interested. S8 if you're desperate.

        • BlueMagaChud [any]
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          4 years ago

          It wasn't just the finale, narratively the show fell apart at the end of season 4, which equates to the end of ASoS. Even then there were parts of the earlier seasons that went a bit off the rails. I just pretend that the show got cancelled after season 4 because those are still worth seeing and the rest was some fevered nightmare I had.

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        4 years ago

        After the show I don't know how you can conceivably make that evil Dany arc work. Her lessons in Meereen show that creating a regime change takes time and negotiation (after the conquest of course) and that violence will always affect the masses. I also enjoy GRRM's message of 'you are not your family' despite the world around you believing it so.

        • the_river_cass [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          there's analysis long preceding the show that predicted that specific event and laid out Dany's path there. the core of the theory is that she walks out of Mereen believing it to be a repudiation of conciliation and compromise and embraces fire and blood as her birthright instead. I'm very certain it will be better done in the books (if they're ever written - I doubt that) but it's extremely likely that this is what will happen.

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            4 years ago

            yeah I also read the theory Dany gets killed by Lightbringer/Jon a couple of years before S8. Such a disappointment.

    • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I love the little bits of flair. The book derives a lot of its character from small things.

      GRRM created a Knight with a Star insignia just to get ripped apart by a Giant. GRRM is a big Football fan so that was a reference to the Giants beating the Dallas Cowboys.