I mean, the Uyghur genocide probably is a thing, by lemkins original definition where you deliberately destroy a culture
Deradicalizing people is not destroying a culture. Terrorism isnt a part of of Uighur cultural identity. They're more free to practice their faith without fear there than in downtown Manhattan (remember the proposed cultural center - not even a mosque - in the vicinity of ground zero).
I live under the thumb of settlers and I'll be the first one to contest their 'humanity' frankly. You show me a cracker, I will show you the ghoul a millimeter and a half under their skin.
They're human, but their actions show how much they've discarded their humanity. That's what makes it more evil, in my opinion. Saying they're not human just makes it easier for us to kill them when we need to, but it doesn't make it true.
It literally was just deradicalization. Does that mean some police abuse occured? Almost certainly, because that is inherent to any kind of policing culture. However, what is overwhelmingly verifiable from even Western media prior to the anti-China turn, was that the main targets of radical bombing aggression were primarily traditional, more moderate, Uighur mosques, who were resisting a more radical turn towards a Wahabist and Mujahideen informed ideology, not the Chinese state. The deradicalization campaign came much at the behest of these religious leaders, informed by fear of escalation from similar radical bombing campaigns that were occuring in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan.
And unlike in those countries, China actually has the state capacity to respond to those constituent concerns in an ordered fashion that doesn't rely on paramilitaries. In particular, the main educational focus was on the historical place of women in Islam, and that the idea that the radical separation of women from public life was a departure from traditional Uighur practices, even prior to communism. There are more mosques in the Xinjang now than before communism, more now than before the deradicalization campaign.
Does that mean that there were no individual abuses of power, even some systemic corruption and bribery? It does not. In fact those almost certainly happened. But a genocide, even 'cultural'? No.
Does that mean that there were no individual abuses of power, even some systemic corruption and bribery? It does not. In fact those almost certainly happened. But a genocide, even 'cultural'? No.
I read a comment recently of someone who lives near Xijang, and how the Uyghur's they know live and are treated. Basically, no real difference on the streets, but they do tend to get extra hassle from cops and guards when in sensitive areas like airports, border crossings, etc. Sucks, but livable.
The most that can be said about China mistreating Uyghur culture is that they're commodifying it to drive internal tourism. Making suspected jihadists take community college courses on why sexism and religious intolerance are bad isn't destroying a culture, nor is banning salafist practices that aren't part of uyghur culture.
You obviously don't give the Uighur people the benefit of the doubt either since there are millions of them who are happily living in Xinjiang. Go visit sometime and see for yourself
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They did not eradicate Uyghur culture, in fact they empower it constantly. This is just another lib talking point.
That might be true!
Deradicalizing people is not destroying a culture. Terrorism isnt a part of of Uighur cultural identity. They're more free to practice their faith without fear there than in downtown Manhattan (remember the proposed cultural center - not even a mosque - in the vicinity of ground zero).
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"i do not give states the benefit of the doubt" enjoyers when the US State department releases the party line:
Don't start posting faux-righteous shit like "Americans are fucking orcs" while you're lending credence to US propaganda
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are you for real
Americans are people, settlers or not.
I live under the thumb of settlers and I'll be the first one to contest their 'humanity' frankly. You show me a cracker, I will show you the ghoul a millimeter and a half under their skin.
That's not what I mean.
They're human, but their actions show how much they've discarded their humanity. That's what makes it more evil, in my opinion. Saying they're not human just makes it easier for us to kill them when we need to, but it doesn't make it true.
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It literally was just deradicalization. Does that mean some police abuse occured? Almost certainly, because that is inherent to any kind of policing culture. However, what is overwhelmingly verifiable from even Western media prior to the anti-China turn, was that the main targets of radical bombing aggression were primarily traditional, more moderate, Uighur mosques, who were resisting a more radical turn towards a Wahabist and Mujahideen informed ideology, not the Chinese state. The deradicalization campaign came much at the behest of these religious leaders, informed by fear of escalation from similar radical bombing campaigns that were occuring in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan.
And unlike in those countries, China actually has the state capacity to respond to those constituent concerns in an ordered fashion that doesn't rely on paramilitaries. In particular, the main educational focus was on the historical place of women in Islam, and that the idea that the radical separation of women from public life was a departure from traditional Uighur practices, even prior to communism. There are more mosques in the Xinjang now than before communism, more now than before the deradicalization campaign.
Does that mean that there were no individual abuses of power, even some systemic corruption and bribery? It does not. In fact those almost certainly happened. But a genocide, even 'cultural'? No.
I read a comment recently of someone who lives near Xijang, and how the Uyghur's they know live and are treated. Basically, no real difference on the streets, but they do tend to get extra hassle from cops and guards when in sensitive areas like airports, border crossings, etc. Sucks, but livable.
State says the sky is blue
You: "might be green actually"
Bad example; colors are a total fuck. But I get what you're expressing.
The most that can be said about China mistreating Uyghur culture is that they're commodifying it to drive internal tourism. Making suspected jihadists take community college courses on why sexism and religious intolerance are bad isn't destroying a culture, nor is banning salafist practices that aren't part of uyghur culture.
Thats the best case of what might be happening, but I dont give states the benefit of the doubt.
You're giving the US State Department the benefit of the doubt by entertaining the highly discredited assertion that any sort of genocide is occuring
You obviously don't give the Uighur people the benefit of the doubt either since there are millions of them who are happily living in Xinjiang. Go visit sometime and see for yourself
I would actually like to visit China. It's not first on my list (chiapas, cuba, someplace with aurora all edge it out) for the food alone omg.
but I'm poor as shit and bad at languages.