Palestinian Genocide: 24/7 live streamed mass murder.
Uyghur "Genocide": some people in prison, but largely night school and job training programs.
: these are the sameSources for the Palestinian genocide: Thousands and thousands of people providing direct, firsthand evidence, as well as extensive journalistic coverage from news agencies around the world
Sources for the Uyghur genocide: Literally just
and no one elsebut Libs don't even see them as the same. The Uyghur one is far far worse. It's so bad you can't even find any footage of the events because China has absolute control over all media in the country. That's why we have to ban Huawei 5g equipment because they'll control all of our media too!
Contrast that with Israel fighting for justice and freedom and it's just a no brainer which one is worse!
I mean, the Uyghur genocide probably is a thing, by lemkins original definition where you deliberately destroy a culture
Deradicalizing people is not destroying a culture. Terrorism isnt a part of of Uighur cultural identity. They're more free to practice their faith without fear there than in downtown Manhattan (remember the proposed cultural center - not even a mosque - in the vicinity of ground zero).
"i do not give states the benefit of the doubt" enjoyers when the US State department releases the party line:
Don't start posting faux-righteous shit like "Americans are fucking orcs" while you're lending credence to US propaganda
crazy how ultras who be like "all states are evil!" always end up just becoming NATO leftists
I live under the thumb of settlers and I'll be the first one to contest their 'humanity' frankly. You show me a cracker, I will show you the ghoul a millimeter and a half under their skin.
It literally was just deradicalization. Does that mean some police abuse occured? Almost certainly, because that is inherent to any kind of policing culture. However, what is overwhelmingly verifiable from even Western media prior to the anti-China turn, was that the main targets of radical bombing aggression were primarily traditional, more moderate, Uighur mosques, who were resisting a more radical turn towards a Wahabist and Mujahideen informed ideology, not the Chinese state. The deradicalization campaign came much at the behest of these religious leaders, informed by fear of escalation from similar radical bombing campaigns that were occuring in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan.
And unlike in those countries, China actually has the state capacity to respond to those constituent concerns in an ordered fashion that doesn't rely on paramilitaries. In particular, the main educational focus was on the historical place of women in Islam, and that the idea that the radical separation of women from public life was a departure from traditional Uighur practices, even prior to communism. There are more mosques in the Xinjang now than before communism, more now than before the deradicalization campaign.
Does that mean that there were no individual abuses of power, even some systemic corruption and bribery? It does not. In fact those almost certainly happened. But a genocide, even 'cultural'? No.
Does that mean that there were no individual abuses of power, even some systemic corruption and bribery? It does not. In fact those almost certainly happened. But a genocide, even 'cultural'? No.
I read a comment recently of someone who lives near Xijang, and how the Uyghur's they know live and are treated. Basically, no real difference on the streets, but they do tend to get extra hassle from cops and guards when in sensitive areas like airports, border crossings, etc. Sucks, but livable.
I know some Uighurs and this kinda lines up with what they've said about their experience. The State treats them no different to any other Chinese, in fact they're probably advantaged by various affirmative action programs, but they've gotta be careful around cops. Racism from Han Chinese civilians is also quite common apparently, but ironically cops are their allies at that point to enforce the non-racist letter of the law.
Bad example; colors are a total fuck. But I get what you're expressing.
The most that can be said about China mistreating Uyghur culture is that they're commodifying it to drive internal tourism. Making suspected jihadists take community college courses on why sexism and religious intolerance are bad isn't destroying a culture, nor is banning salafist practices that aren't part of uyghur culture.
Thats the best case of what might be happening, but I dont give states the benefit of the doubt.
You obviously don't give the Uighur people the benefit of the doubt either since there are millions of them who are happily living in Xinjiang. Go visit sometime and see for yourself
I would actually like to visit China. It's not first on my list (chiapas, cuba, someplace with aurora all edge it out) for the food alone omg.
but I'm poor as shit and bad at languages.
I dont give states the benefit of the doubt.
You're giving the US State Department the benefit of the doubt by entertaining the highly discredited assertion that any sort of genocide is occuring
except when it's America spreading bullshit, then I believe it uncritically!
They did not eradicate Uyghur culture, in fact they empower it constantly. This is just another lib talking point.
Israel is a fake state committing a real genocide
China is a real state committing a fake genocide
I'm glad they specified that they're talking about Xi Jinping of China. For a second I thought they were talking about Xi Jinping of Boise Idaho.
Iowa and Idaho should merge into one state, with a sort of chicken neck connecting them
Yeah, cool, one sec. Xing? Shut down the top secret Uyghur Concentration camp. It’s done. Now, about Gaza…
Some day they will drop this talking point. On that day the NYT will post an article celebrating "ending the uyghur genocide" thanks to ceaseless western political activists, I just know it
Unironically would be nice for China to offer relocation for Gaza residents. Offer to resettle Palestinians in one of those massive apartment blocks they're building in Xinjiang, on condition of a ceasefire and exodus corridor.
crazy how crackers in here will literally come in and advocate genocide and do exactly what Israel/USA wants, and think they're being the reasonable smart person in the room of stupid commies
If they'd wanted resettlement, they wouldn't have the borders closed and the residents kettled. This is about slaughtering Arabs, not simply displacing them.
No neighboring countries will accept millions of impoverished and angry refugees and also aid Israel in genocide in front of the whole world. It's lose-lose for all arab neighbors.
The zionazis has actually attempted to pressure western nations into accepting Palestinians deported from Gaza. Unsurprisingly, no western nation is keen to have an influx of pissed-off non-whites.
They want the land, they literally don't care about the indigenous population, they just want them gone. If they can pull off a Madagascar plan they will do it.
You've got Israelis on the Egyptian border, cutting off the Rafa crossing. And that's before we get into the current Egyptian government being a puppet of Israel.
This is a deliberate strategy of exhausting the Palestinian civilian population and exterminating them. If they'd wanted the Palestinians out, they'd have simply forced the issue at the Egyptian border until the civilian population began crossing en mass. But they don't want any Palestinians alive to try and re-enter Gaza in another generation.
This would cause a revolution in Egypt and destroy the current regime if they attempted this. Israel and the US already attempted to strong arm Egypt into accepting the refugees but they refused because it would mean the end of their government.
This would cause a revolution in Egypt and destroy the current regime if they attempted this.
Good. The Egyptian state is a bloody fisted dictatorship and the sooner it falls the better.
Israel and the US already attempted to strong arm Egypt
I don't believe this for an instant. They are entirely a creature of the US/Israeli state and will jump however high they're told.
Good. The Egyptian state is a bloody fisted dictatorship and the sooner it falls the better.
moralism above realism? In my hexbear? Well I never...
I don't believe this for an instant. They are entirely a creature of the US/Israeli state and will jump however high they're told.
Literally documented and factual, sorry you don't believe reality. Stop talking about "good" and "evil" and start thinking about analyzing the interests of the parties involved.
https://newlinesmag.com/essays/how-plans-to-move-palestinians-to-egypt-backfired/
https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-discussing-plans-provide-aid-gaza-under-limited-ceasefire-security-sources-2023-10-11/
Egypt has discussed plans with the United States and others to provide humanitarian aid through its border with Gaza Strip but rejects any move to set up safe corridors for refugees fleeing the enclave, Egyptian security sources said on Wednesday.
The United States was pressuring Egypt to allow in 2 million palestinian refugees as part of a "humanitarian corridor", but was unable to get them to agree because this is an existential issue for Egypt.
Moving Palestinians out of Palestine en masse is genocide and is the goal of Israel and USA. Forced mass relocations and population transfers are genocide. Stop advocating for genocide. Stop downplaying the sacrifices of the martyrs. You are advocating towards the US/Israeli goal, not away from it. You are calling for surrender, for defeatism, and as someone outside of the fight you need to shut the fuck up
I know you mean well man but your comment is extremely disrespectful for Palestinians and people resisting colonisation worldwide Mass relocation is a form of genocide
Israel is genocidal and the only countries in the region with the capacity to intercede aren't willing to do so.
At this stage of the conflict, evacuating Palestinians from the area so they can live to fight another day is a higher priority than passing Do Nothing resolutions at the UN to wag your fingers at a genocide. If its disrespectful to evacuate people from a war zone... I just don't know what you're asking for.
the only countries in the region with the capacity to intercede aren't willing to do so.
wtf happened in Oct 1st 2024 then?
Iran shot its shot in retaliation for assassinations / bombing of its own people. Then Israel went back to business as usual.
Iran doesn't have the capacity to stop Israel any more than the Houthis do. They are, at best, in a state of MAD.
Germany should offer relocation of Israeli residents back to Germany.
